> Throwing users to the wolves is not an option, and never should have been one. Either an init script set be complete and maintained, or don't bother including it.
Actually, I think that is Debian's POV too. Since they are switching to Systemd, no one is maintaining the S5 scripts, so in all likelihood they will be dropped in the future. I don't blame them for that, but it is unfortunate. Systemd still has some annoyances. On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:08 PM, James Powell <[email protected]> wrote: > And if ANY alternative init system is offered, COMPLETE script sets > should be offered. No more throwing users to the wolves. There is no excuse > for this. > > This crap caused enough problems leading many people I've known to avoid > alternatives. Throwing users to the wolves is not an option, and never > should have been one. Either an init script set be complete and maintained, > or don't bother including it. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ------------------------------ > From: Steve Litt <[email protected]> > Sent: 7/16/2015 6:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DNG] [email protected] > > On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:01:43 -0700 > Gregory Nowak <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 06:18:09PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > If I might say so, I think that Devuan's short-term goal should be > > > to get a release out as soon as possible, as close to Debian Jesse > > > as possible. > > > > I agree with James and T.J. here. Devuan 1.0 should be debian 8 sans > > systemd. > > Me too. > > > As for which init system to use, I vote for sysvinit with > > sysvinit scripting. > > Me too. I know how much effort needs to be put into alt-inits, and I'm > sure moving to a superior init like Epoch, s6 or runit is something > better done in a much later version. Sysvinit still has plenty of life > left in it, and we all have 15 years experience with it. > > > This is what folks coming to devuan from debian > > wheezy will be familiar with, and I know that's what I would expect to > > find when installing/upgrading to devuan from wheezy. > > > Those who want > > other init systems should know how to install them without having them > > forced on those of us who prefer what we're used to. > > Yes we should. It's not that hard. And we should be ready, willing and > able to document our trials and tribulations and successes so that > *some day*, a long time from now, Devuan might choose a different init, > if so desired. There's no rush. > > > > After that, I think that Devuan should focus on what would be > > > needed to provide user choice for the next release. This is just > > > my opinion, but I think that Devuan should pursue the goal that Ian > > > Jackson left Debian over: making sure that the user can use > > > whatever init they choose: be it System V, OpenRC or Systemd. > > I personally wouldn't jump through any hoops to get it to work with > Systemd. First of all, if you want Devuan with Systemd, what you really > want is Debian. Second, just like runit or s6 or Epoch, let users who > want Systemd compile and install it extra-distro. If doing so is > anything like runit, s6 and Epoch, that's not hard at all. > > But that's all in the future. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century > http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > >
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