Well, I suppose the topic has been beat up enough, but I just wanted to clear up something before moving on. I want you to understand why I came to the Devuan list in the first place. I came here under the assumption that Devuan was going to be a "better Debian" without the shove the Technical Committee and the failure of the GR gave to one single point of view.
As far as I can tell, Devuan is about the same, with one difference. Devuan is willing to package systemd if it can be done cleanly - but nobody wants to. Debian will support System 5, again until nobody wants to. I suppose I should be used to that. The fault is mine. I expect too much, when everyone feels that they have been burned one too many times. Nexttime: "Devuan will not work to support systemd and will not work against it. We will not do any effort to support it, if someone want to work to package it in a way where it works WITHOUT needs support for any other package depending on it, we will consider to add it as an option, but we will NOT accept it if it ask us to put it in dependency tree. " That is all I EVER suggested, with one slight difference. That if it is somehow possible in the future to maintain two versions of the same package that the default version would be without systemd, but the other would be available at the users' option as a matter of choice. Steve Litt: "Considering the source you're replying to, it's not worth even worrying about. The other side sure doesn't respect freedom of choice. That's why we're here in the first place. Inclusion of systemd tends to reduce freedom of choice, not enhance it. " I am not on the "other side" of the argument. To me, there is no argument to begin with. I am neither an advocate for systemd nor am I an advocate for System 5. Both have issues and are basically different approaches to the same problem. That Steve objects to me personally - "the source" - is of course his own affair and I can care less. In saying this it is not a condemnation of him. I just do not want other people to think he knows what's on my mind. For the record, he doesn't even know me. Whatever his opinion of me, I respect his position just the same. Didier Kryn: "This has been discussed so many times already! It sitll has to be proven that offering systemd is possible without abandoning freedom of choice for many other things." Honestly, Didier, I think it already has. Gentoo handles the situation very well. It is possible, but it might require some tweaking to get the packages right. "Why should we bother when there's a simple way for Devuan to provide Systemd: http-redirect -> www.debian.org" I'm not accusing anyone of anything but I genuinely I do not understand that. Since the tone of Nexttime's post suggests that he/she would prefer that this discussion end, please message me privately if you have something to add. I don't understand how Devuan can grow if the general attitude on the mailing list is "go away." Have a great day everyone! (Yes both Steve and Didlier too!) T. J. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
