I would like to humbly add my little contribution to this thread. I am posting using Devuan 64 bit connected to a home WIFI without any network managers. I connect by using separate /etc/network/interfaces files. The one for my home wifi is in /etc/network/interfaces while the rest are saved under my home directory.
To connect, I use the command as root: ifup wlan0 -i an-interfaces-file My experience is this is a reliable connection. When I used wicd it used to disconnect very frequently. I also used desktop network managers, but these now many need systemd as a dependency. My point is, what I do manually, can be done through code resulting in a simple application. The advantage I see is, it would be standalone. I am tempted to create this application to automate my connection, but most probably, as I am more prolific in Delphi Pascal, the language of choice will be Lazarus Pascal. I can write C++ GUI applications but that requires more effort on my part. As long as logic programming in C/C++ that is on the same level if not easier. The hardest part seem to be allowing the ifup command to run with root privileges. On 16/08/2015, T.J. Duchene <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, I suppose the topic has been beat up enough, but I just wanted to > clear > up something before moving on. I want you to understand why I came to the > Devuan list in the first place. I came here under the assumption that Devuan > was going to be a "better Debian" without the shove the Technical Committee > and the failure of the GR gave to one single point of view. > > As far as I can tell, Devuan is about the same, with one difference. Devuan > is > willing to package systemd if it can be done cleanly - but nobody wants to. > Debian will support System 5, again until nobody wants to. > > I suppose I should be used to that. The fault is mine. I expect too much, > when everyone feels that they have been burned one too many times. > > Nexttime: "Devuan will not work to support systemd and will not work against > it. We will not do any effort to support it, if someone want to work to > package > it in a way where it works WITHOUT needs support for any other package > depending on it, we will consider to add it as an option, but we will NOT > accept it if it ask us to put it in dependency tree. " > > That is all I EVER suggested, with one slight difference. That if it is > somehow possible in the future to maintain two versions of the same package > that the default version would be without systemd, but the other would be > available at the users' option as a matter of choice. > > Steve Litt: > > "Considering the source you're replying to, it's not worth even worrying > about. > > The other side sure doesn't respect freedom of choice. That's why > we're here in the first place. Inclusion of systemd tends to reduce > freedom of choice, not enhance it. " > > I am not on the "other side" of the argument. To me, there is no argument > to > begin with. I am neither an advocate for systemd nor am I an advocate for > System 5. Both have issues and are basically different approaches to the > same > problem. > > That Steve objects to me personally - "the source" - is of course his own > affair and I can care less. In saying this it is not a condemnation of him. > I > just do not want other people to think he knows what's on my mind. For the > record, he doesn't even know me. > > Whatever his opinion of me, I respect his position just the same. > > > > Didier Kryn: > > "This has been discussed so many times already! It sitll has to be > proven that offering systemd is possible without abandoning freedom of > choice for many other things." > > Honestly, Didier, I think it already has. Gentoo handles the situation very > well. It is possible, but it might require some tweaking to get the packages > right. > > "Why should we bother when there's a simple way for Devuan to provide > Systemd: > http-redirect -> www.debian.org" > > I'm not accusing anyone of anything but I genuinely I do not understand > that. > Since the tone of Nexttime's post suggests that he/she would prefer that > this > discussion end, please message me privately if you have something to add. I > don't understand how Devuan can grow if the general attitude on the mailing > list is "go away." > > > > Have a great day everyone! (Yes both Steve and Didlier too!) > > T. J. > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
