On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:06:30PM -0500, [email protected] wrote:
On 2017-03-15 21:32, Christopher Clements wrote:On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:55:57AM -0500, [email protected] wrote:But what is the point? Our freedoms are being eroded on all fronts - we are drowning in a tsunami of reversal of choice dictated by those in power be they Debian or corporations or government. Rather than piss in the wind...To make this a metaphor, what about pissing _upwind_? I've seen some others suggest notifying upstream developers that making systemd mandatory is a bad idea, and it (notifying them) seems like a good idea, if only to make things easier for Devuan porters.
The exact suggestion is here: <https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170315.171933.e6bda406.en.html>
That is an excellent idea. Would be great if someone got organized enough to start a dialog with EVERY upstream dev individually and/or collectively. Unfortunately, that would be a mammoth task requiring more time than most people could find. I've done work like that on various issues and know from experience, it is a full time job.
Perhaps just an open letter? It seemed relatively simple until you brought up the issue of actually contacting all the developers (without using debian-devel, most likely). I only thought about one aspect of it, and now it seems like it would be _impossible_ without using debian-devel or mass-mailing every single developer (out of the question). I might still be possible, but I personally cannot think of any way to do it.
I don't see that putting my (insignificant) name on a list of whiners as a productive action. It would just get laughed at and stomped on like ants by Paul Bunyan.It's less about _who_ is on the list, and more about _how many_ names are listed. It's hard to deny there is a problem in the face of a veritable tsunami of proof.That depends on your definition of a 'veritable tsunami of proof'. I have no idea what numbers might catch their attention but I imagine it would have to be several hundred thousand at a minimum including a long list of big names/enterprises. That would be another excellent project for someone reading this to take on. Steve's list could just be the first step.
It is my hope that the list will keep growing, and we can just link to it whenever someone says that systemd only has "a few" detractors.
Why not follow your own tactical advice and DO something. As for me ... I've already got my hands full. From the time I get up in the morning till lights out past midnight 7 days a week, I am working on something to advance devuan in one way or another.
Just like you, I've got my hands full. I've got a lot of college at the moment, but I want to help in any way I can. Thank you for working on Devuan; I'm not exactly capable of showing my appreciation through email, but I still appreciate all you have done nonetheless. -- GPG Key: 0769 AFCF 681E F61E 2137 F4CB 5044 1726 610D 5AE0 synchronized with <hkp://keys.gnupg.net> If this message isn't signed, I didn't send it.
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