On Sat, 12 Aug 2017, Evilham wrote: > Please, let's everyone stick to what concerns us.
thanks for your reasoning. Here is what concerns me in brief: 0- We need to welcome more qualified developers to the project. I number it zero since I believe we all agree with this. 1- All developers must be treated equally. the fact me and Nextime have initiated the Devuan project, or Daniel is an elder and by all means a very important contributor, still does not mean we can miss deadlines, shabbily liquidate contributions or miss to maintain promises and agreements to the other developers. Noone can be exempt from any responsibility taken, no matter how important that person is to the project. This is not an attack to Nextime! because I admit I'm also behind some tasks and that just confirms point 0 and I'm keen to pass them on to people who demonstrate the good will and love and expertise in doing them. 2- Development is a process and, as you pointed out, must happen as an OPEN process. Commits to a codebase must be properly commented and reviews must happen already during the development flow, to avoid enormous amounts of time wasted rewriting things and to allow experts to feed into specific parts of the projects. The quality of code cannot be a patchwork between releases. 3- While we do have time and possibility to grow, we must aim for TOP quality. It is our task and that of all others engaging the project to RAISE its quality standards. Out of the huge amount of work we managed to do in the past year, now we must step out of emergency mode and take care to do things properly. Being a leader in Devuan means MORE work, not less, plus also means embodying what all Devuan developers SHOULD do. Frankly this is my agenda and it is not just on top of the scorsh/releasebot diatribe and it is not just about others developers, but also myself, because I cannot be excellent enough alone nor with other 2 excellent people like Daniel and Nextime, nor with us all on this list. We must have a transparent process in place to recognise and agree on excellence of cotnributions, not proceed by patchwork. Also if I'm aloud to have a 4- and 5- concern then I'd share that of most people commenting on Jessie release that it has taken too long and those of parazyd and others that many important packages in Devuan do not have yet a maintainer and also on Jessie we are behind updates on a number of important packages. Next I'll start to comment on your document, but also I have heavy time constraints and need some breaks for peace of mind from work (which chases me even on "vacation" periods and I'm not talking about Devuan) so it will likely take me until tuesday to feed into the document you propose. > https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/1/edit/nXiySd0FPHvG8pBgGgImxA/aJ87TdwIEWiIk96GZcFwypnb ciao _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng