On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 at 04:48:43 -0400 "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 09/07/2017 04:30 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 at 17:12:27 -0400 >> zap <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Agreed! Talos is at least *LIBRE!* >> No, it ain't: >> https://blog.rapid7.com/2013/07/02/a-penetration-testers-guide-to-ipmi/ >> >> "BMCs and the IPMI Protocol >> >> Baseboard Management Controllers (BMCs) are a type of embedded >> computer used to provide out-of-band monitoring for desktops and >> servers. These products are sold under many brand names, >> including HP iLO, Dell DRAC, Sun ILOM, Fujitsu iRMC, *IBM IMM*, and >> Supermicro IPMI." >> >> IBM stuff is plagued by embedded controlware, too. > > Uhh no it is Yes it is. > There is a major difference between ME/PSP and IBM's POWER-BMC - One is > open source and owner controlled the other two aren't. Anything from IBM and Power-related is proprietary. Again, could you show us blueprints of the CPU and the Remote Supervisor Adapter present in IBm's chipsets? > On 09/06/2017 07:18 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> On 06/09/2017 at 19:15, [email protected] wrote: >>> On 09/06/2017 06:36 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >>> >>>> The steep price. >>>> >>> Uhh the laptops you guys are selling now cost just as much as TALOS... >> "you" whom? I am not a seller. > You are constantly defending No, I reported of what they are doing, providing quotations. > them and snubbing your nose at superior > products No, I am only pointing out anything you wrote about the supposed superiority of TALOS is faith-based. > so it is obvious you work for purism. You are constantly defending TALOS and their products based on proprietary, closed-source hardware from a single producer that has decades-log strong relationships with the US military and is known to put remote-control hardware and software in their products that cannot be disabled AFAIK. So, it is obvious you work for TALOS. >>> only they aren't owner controlled. >> That you know of. I remember IBM has always been one of the top USA >> military's purveyors: >> >> http://newspaperarchives.vassar.edu/cgi-bin/vassar?a=d&d=miscellany19700206-01.2.13 >> >> "In fiscal 1909, IBM contracted for $257,000,000.00 worth of its >> products with the United States Department of Defense. 4 The importance >> of IBM's military role has grown with the computerization of the >> American war effort in Vietnam." (1909 is probably an OCR error, there >> are many in the piece; it could be 1969). >> >> I very doubt material from IBM can be thought of being >> freedom-and-liberty loving and exempt from any governmental-friendly >> "features". They just don't put it in their public spec sheets like >> Intel does. > Ahh oh well shucks looks like I had better buy a purism right? at least > then I know for a fact that there is a hardware level backdoor and can > act accordingly! You could buy a costlier product from TALOS and get yourself a system with hardware backdoors that, differently from Intel's, cannot be disabled (at least no one knows how to do it). Enjoy your golden privacy- and freedom-denying cage by Big Blue. -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net VOIP SIP: [email protected] Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
