On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:49:51 +0000 KatolaZ <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 03:39:45PM +0000, Rowland Penny wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:34:31 +0100 > > John Hughes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 17/11/17 16:14, Rowland Penny wrote: > > > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:54:39 +0100 > > > > John Hughes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> systemd, like init(1), doesn't just run on boot -- it's running > > > >> continuously. > > > >> > > > > Excuse me apologist troll, but that is the whole point, it > > > > shouldn't have to. > > > > > > It doesn't? You have many systems without PID 1 running? > > > > > > > No, apologist troll, I don't, but then I don't have a PID 1 running > > that uses many thousands of lines of code either ;-) > > > > It would be much better if we would please try to maintain a bit of > self-control and avoid to use such harsh tones. :-) I would normally agree, but this is an interesting case. I think any informed and reasonable person on this list would agree that John Hughes' main thrust on this mailing list is to defend systemd against criticism. I think a majority here would agree that Hughes is a systemd apologist. UrbanDictionary.Com defines "troll" as: ======================================================== One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument. ======================================================== The obvious way to cause disruption in a community based on a principle is to argue against that principle. Given that Devuan's very birth was "anti-systemd", apologizing for and defending systemd obviously causes maximum disruption, and it's hard to see how that could be done continuously without being intentional. So Hughes is a systemd apologist, and Hughes is a troll. Therefore, Roland simply stated a fact when calling him an "apologist troll." Roland, what I'd suggest to you is what I suggest to everyone interested in a systemd-free Devuan, and what I long ago did myself: Filter John Hughes to /dev/null so you never have to hear his systemd apologies or his trolling again. If everyone did that, when John Hughes has his "systemd isn't that bad" discussions with the 1 or 2 other systemd apologist trolls on the list, none of us will hear it. They can whoop it up with their systemd praises, and it won't bother us a bit, and we'll all be civil. Unfortunately, there will always be those who respond to trolls. For that purpose, Rick Moen has written a rather ingenious procmail recipe to /dev/null all identifiable descendents of the troll's posts. I don't use it because I'm scared I'll lose some valuable insights by real contributors just because the troll is quoted somewhere in the backstory, but if you prioritize never hearing from trolls, Rick's script is what you want. SteveT Steve Litt November 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
