Just a heads-up to the DPRIVE WG and for the DoQ authors[1]: after some 
discussions within IESG/IAB, I am afraid that UDP/853 won't be allocated to 
DoQ. Nothing definitive yet of course but IAB/IESG have raised the following 
concerns:



  *   Lack of real technical motivation (except for 'symmetry' or for 
operational reasons).
  *   Moving DoDTLS to historic will not help, as it will simply return udp/853 
to the pool to be re-used later.
  *   The *currently* possible demux between QUIC & DTLS is not something 
carved in stone forever. Hence, a future problem can happen if DTLS v23 cannot 
be demuxed from QUIC v19. This would put a heavy constraint on the evolution of 
both QUIC & DTLS, i.e., ossifying both protocols. Not to mention that both QUIC 
& DTLS want to expose as little as possible to observers, making demux of 
future versions quite improbable...



Personally, I do not think that it is critical to re-use udp/853 but happy to 
work with the authors and the WG to attempt to re-use it.



Comments are welcome, as usual ;-)



Regards,



-éric



[1] I already have exchanged some email messages with authors and chairs last 
week, but it is time to extend the discussion to the WG


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