Hi David,

It's always funny how two people can read the same thing and draw two 
conclusions.

To me, Mark Gristock pointed out that if there was a publicised process 
freely or possibly affordably available, then more sites would use the 
system. Thus supporting your recent fervent posts on the list by using a 
broadly available system. I thought that it could be something 
constructive that someone on the list might like to get behind - to 
create something positive without making new and experienced developers 
alike jump through hoops.


Whereas you saw the attack on the 'not-for-profits' and if that's what 
you were pointing to with the 'disingenuous' remark, then I understand 
completely. Unfortunately, as I am not privy to Mr Gristock's 
discussions or research on the subject, I would be drawing a very long 
bow indeed if I publicly commented on how sincere the remarks are or 
cast aspersions on his skills or character. I'm guessing you have done a 
lot more research into him than I, as this is obviously something you 
are very active in in the position you hold (that you mentioned earlier).

Sorry if you thought I was pointing at 'nasty not-for-profits', I tend 
to concentrate on solutions rather than the rhetoric that precede them 
in media articles these days. It's just the way I read.

Cheers,
Trent

David Goldstein wrote:
> Hi Trent,
>
> Good point. I agree that in general not-for-profits do not spend enough time 
> sharing accessibility to the public, and what's needed to be done. But 
> there's always the issue of how to allocate resources and what you consider 
> the organisation's priorities within a limited budget.
>
> However it's a bit disingenuous for this so-called expert on usability to say 
> "Building dull, technically compliant websites is easy but building 
> commercially successful sites that are also accessible is not."
>
> If someone wants a website that has all the bells and whistles and flash and 
> what-have-you, this is fine. The developer just needs to provide an alternate 
> version that is updated as is the bells and whistles version. Besides, not 
> everyone has all the bells and whistles, so in reality, for accessibility or 
> otherwise, an alternate version will be needed.
>
> Cheers
> David
>
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>
> Interesting reading David, thank you.
>
> Of particular interest was the "Time to talk" section of that same piece.
>
> Cheers,
> Trent
>
> David Goldstein wrote:
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is just to follow-on from the recent discussion. And yes, I know it's 
>> not DNS, but just noting the problem.
>>
>> Cheers
>> David
>>
>> 'Most websites' failing disabled
>> Most (97%) of the leading websites around the world are failing to provide 
>> the most basic accessibility standards for people with disabilities.
>>
>> The survey was across 5 sectors in 20 countries.
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6210068.stm
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