Hi Trent, Actually, a slight misunderstanding. I totally agree with the point "that if there was a publicised process freely or possibly affordably available, then more sites would use the system."
And I was not necessarily being critical of not-for-profits (NFPs), but rather noting they have to work out their priorities. I think everyone on this list would agree a priority for NFPs should be assisting their clients get access to technology. I know Vision Australia has been running accessibility workshops on blindness and vision impairment issues, but they've been poorly publicised. However they have been very popular. See http://visionaustralia.org.au/ais/webworkshops Maybe Mark Gristock was being selectively quoted, and so maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions! But by saying "Building dull, technically compliant websites is easy but building commercially successful sites that are also accessible is not" is not really accurate. My advice is to add 10% to the cost of developing a website to ensure it's accessible. Besides, you can have all the bells and whistles, but as I mentioned, just have an accessible version which would be required by people without the relevant software to operate the bells and whistles anyway. And I think you're being constructive Trent. :) Cheers David ----- Original Message ---- From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: .au DNS Discussion List <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 6 December, 2006 3:21:08 PM Subject: Re: [DNS] 'Most websites' failing disabled Hi David, It's always funny how two people can read the same thing and draw two conclusions. To me, Mark Gristock pointed out that if there was a publicised process freely or possibly affordably available, then more sites would use the system. Thus supporting your recent fervent posts on the list by using a broadly available system. I thought that it could be something constructive that someone on the list might like to get behind - to create something positive without making new and experienced developers alike jump through hoops. Whereas you saw the attack on the 'not-for-profits' and if that's what you were pointing to with the 'disingenuous' remark, then I understand completely. Unfortunately, as I am not privy to Mr Gristock's discussions or research on the subject, I would be drawing a very long bow indeed if I publicly commented on how sincere the remarks are or cast aspersions on his skills or character. I'm guessing you have done a lot more research into him than I, as this is obviously something you are very active in in the position you hold (that you mentioned earlier). Sorry if you thought I was pointing at 'nasty not-for-profits', I tend to concentrate on solutions rather than the rhetoric that precede them in media articles these days. It's just the way I read. Cheers, Trent David Goldstein wrote: > Hi Trent, > > Good point. I agree that in general not-for-profits do not spend enough time > sharing accessibility to the public, and what's needed to be done. But > there's always the issue of how to allocate resources and what you consider > the organisation's priorities within a limited budget. > > However it's a bit disingenuous for this so-called expert on usability to say > "Building dull, technically compliant websites is easy but building > commercially successful sites that are also accessible is not." > > If someone wants a website that has all the bells and whistles and flash and > what-have-you, this is fine. The developer just needs to provide an alternate > version that is updated as is the bells and whistles version. Besides, not > everyone has all the bells and whistles, so in reality, for accessibility or > otherwise, an alternate version will be needed. > > Cheers > David > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: .au DNS Discussion List <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, 6 December, 2006 11:34:07 AM > Subject: Re: [DNS] 'Most websites' failing disabled > > > Interesting reading David, thank you. > > Of particular interest was the "Time to talk" section of that same piece. > > Cheers, > Trent > > David Goldstein wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> This is just to follow-on from the recent discussion. 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