On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Joe Abley wrote:

> 
> On 13-Mar-2007, at 14:00, Dean Anderson wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Douglas Otis wrote:
> >
> >> The higher gain attacks leverage a large RR not normally found in
> >> most authoritative DNS.
> >
> > This assertion isn't true.  Several examples were given of common  
> > large
> > record types frequently found on authority servers.
> 
> I think the point is (again) that the amplification potential is  
> reduced if no open recursive servers are involved. This is a re-run  
> of an old thread. See, for example:
> 
>    http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg04721.html

That is partly right: Several old threads where your assertion was
previously shown to be false. Further, several times now, your group,
after a hiatus, resumed discussion by repeating your assertion as though
no objections were raised previously. Forthrightness and honesty would
seem to require disclosure that you have no response to the objections.  
Or at least that there are objections. Failure to disclose the
objections is misleading. Even the CIA has to do that.

http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg04836.html

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I strongly oppose the draft for the reasons described in:
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/msg03891.html
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/msg03893.html
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/msg03902.html

A great number of issues, logic flaws and false assumptions identified
previously with the document, have not been addressed nor corrected.

During 2 sessions of discussion, the authors made assertions for which
there is no basis in fact.  In the second session, the authors and
proponents simply repeated claims discredited in May, as though those
arguments had no prior opposition whatsoever. They just repeated a
mantra, as if repeating it often and ignoring the contrary evidence
somehow makes the mantra true.
[...]
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                --Dean


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