There has been no technical discussion of Moreau's proposal. There had been no technical discussion on May 10th, when Austein offficially directed the authors to disregard the proposal.
All of the opposition has been FUD and false claims. I have a longer report in progress detailing these issues. I am inclined to be concerned about the FUD and irregularity opposing Moreau's proposal, and I think the proposal therefore deserves greater attention. As a general rule, its my experience that bad ideas have obvious technical problems, while good ideas cannot be so opposed, and so are opposed by FUD and process irregularities. I'd say the odds are that Moreau has a good idea. Mr. Moreau, in his first message of April 30th, disclosed his patent and offered free, universal, and unlimited terms [though I must qualify this, as we haven't yet seen the actual license. It may yet turn out to not actually be as good as it sounds now.] Speaking as President of the LPF and as an ISOC member, there can be no better patent terms than free, universal, and unlimited. I applaud his license terms, and his immediate disclosure and forthright approach. Some people, offlist, have suggested to me that it is Mr. Moreau who has acted unethically. Mr. Moreau has not acted unethically, but his actions in this particular subject have been exemplary. I also note the people who raised patent issues recently aren't usually anti-patent advocates; most of them have participated in (at least two incidents that I know of) discussions in which they either supported drafts with patents with onerous terms, or were not opposed to non-disclosure of patents in drafts, or were opposed to RFC3979 anti-patent provisions. Or they've explicitly told me they supported software patents. Most/all of what they stated was incorrect or FUD. [incorrect/FUD, btw, does not promote an anti-patent agenda. Facts promote an anti-patent agenda. The pro-patent opposition would quickly discredit FUD. Some facts can be found at http://lpf.ai.mit.edu or http://progfree.org]. While I'm always pleased to have new converts to the LPF cause, I am uncertain if their opinions represent a change of view or just convenient ammunition. Particularly, I would like to say that non-participation in the IETF (or W3C, etc) does not prevent patents. Only __publication__ prevents patents. The law [in the U.S. and most countries] strongly encourages patents and strongly disadvantages those without patents. [That is one reason the law must be changed.] We (the LPF) do not expect people not to get patents. We encourage people to __publish__ rather than patent, but we understand that this isn't always possible. The LPF works to educate people so that the patent laws will get changed. People with patents are urged to forgo using patents for profit, and to make those patents free with a free, universal, and unlimited license. Those that do, like Mr. Moreau, are applauded. --Dean On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Rob Austein wrote: > At Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:47:57 -0400, Thierry Moreau wrote: > > > > Now that the draft-koch-dnsop-resolver-priming is adopted as as WG work > > item, and that an IPR disclosure has been filed [2], I would request Rob > > to revisit his (premature) directive regarding this work [3], and > > retract it. Thanks for looking into this. > > <hat wg-chair="on"> > > To date I have seen no support for M. Moreau's suggestion from > anyone other than M. Moreau, nor have I seen anyone other than > M. Moreau disagree with my analysis that his suggestion is only > peripherally related to the topic of Peter's draft. > > If anyone other than M. Moreau -does- wish to see Peter's draft > incorporate M. Moreau's suggestion, please say so, and state: > > a) Why you think that the topic belongs in this draft, and > > b) Whether M. Moreau's IPR disclosure addressess whatever concerns > (if any) you might have with respect to the IPR issues related to > M. Moreau's suggestion (if you have no IPR concerns, say so). > > </hat> > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop > > -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000 _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
