On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:58:49PM +0000,
 Jelte Jansen <jelte.jan...@sidn.nl> wrote 
 a message of 20 lines which said:

> all the more reasons for ISPs to try and force you to use theirs
> (perhaps even after some friendly coercion from the nearest
> three-letter agency (four in the netherlands as well)). In which
> case we'd need even better channel encryption, to the point where
> you can't tell it's DNS, so it can be tunneled out of the network

If we follow this line of reasoning, why do we deploy more security,
then? With this argument, we would never have deployed HTTPS
either. (Or SSH: most hotspots and many ISP block SSH.)

We promised in Vancouver to seriously strengthen the Internet against
surveillance. Was it an empty promise, politician-style?

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