On Feb 12, 2019, at 3:03 PM, Paul Vixie <[email protected]> wrote:
> David Conrad wrote on 2019-02-12 14:58:
>>> lack of an IETF-approved standard with planned implementation by a half 
>>> dozen tech giants,
>> And that worked so well with NAT.
> network operators had a choice whether to deploy NAT.

You missed my point.  The IETF declared NATs heretical and as a result, a 
zillion people did it in a zillion different ways, creating a huge mess.  Lots 
of people are implementing sending/receiving DNS queries/responses over HTTPS. 
DoH simply codifies one way of doing it so that network managers, software 
developers, etc., have a chance to develop management systems for it.

> i'd like the same level of freedom when it comes to how DNS is served.

Then force the folks on your network to install a cert so you can filter out 
DoH.  Contrary to your assertion, I doubt netflow will let you discriminate 
between good and evil. You have to have visibility to do that.

> too old-school?

Too ostrich-like.

Regards,
-drc

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