On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 09:34:16AM +0000,
 Jim Reid <[email protected]> wrote 
 a message of 19 lines which said:

> Why? From the client's perspective, there's no effective difference
> between these.

In the first case, you can talk with someone which you have some
relationship with (the ISP, typically).

> Their request was rejected for some policy reason and it doesn't
> really matter whose policy has been applied.

Well, it certainly matters to me. Think responsability,
accountability, consumer choice...

> Besides in situations where blocking is being done because of
> someone else's say so, it's highly likely that the DNS operator will
> be subject to some sort of injunction which prevents them from
> disclosing that such blocking is taking place.

Not "highly likely". It depends. Some censors are open in their
censorship (otherwise, RFC 7725 would be useless.)

Case study: in France, the list of "terrorist" domain names whose
blocking is mandatory is not public, but the fact that a domain is
blocked because of this list is not: the ISP returns a forged (sorry,
"substituted") specific IP address.

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