On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Bruce Campbell wrote:

> > The way forward to what?
> 
> ``Forward to a point in time where typical DNS utilises TCP more than it
>   does now, as is likely with DNSSEC (due to the increased packet size).''

Yes. that.

> However, Dean... ``Put up, or shut up'' [1].

Fair enough.  I'll start work on it.

> Phrased more elequontly, I think both sides would find it beneficial if
> you would put all of the PPLB-specific issues into an Internet Draft, and
> submitted it via the normal processes.  That gives both sides something to
> reference rather than just ``check the archives'', and it will be far, far
> better than this issue continually coming up on this list with no clear
> conclusion being accepted by either side.
> 
> Heres a few starting points for your draft Dean, being my possibly
> biased[2] summary of the periodic PPLB rehash:
> 
>       In '6 months', DNSSEC will be introduced.  Likely, this will
>       increase the number of TCP DNS queries from SMALL% to
>       SLIGHTLY-LESS-SMALL% .  UDP queries will, quite likely, remain
>       at HIGH% of total queries.
> 
>       As Per-Packet Load Balancing is known to break TCP streams under
>       certain conditions, this draft outlines the conditions and
>       recommendations for end-sites and zone administrators where
>       BGP-anycasted nameservers are in use.
> 
>       Outline of PPLB and TCP problems... blah blah blah.
> 
>       Outline of PPLB and specific DNS TCP problems... blah blah blah.
> 
>       Recommendations for End-Sites:
> 
>               PPLB over multiple links to the same upstream AS are not
>               seen to be a problem, except when used with time-critical
>               application (such as VoIP), which have issues with packets
>               arriving out of order.
> 
>               PPLB over multiple links to differing upstream ASes can be
>               a problem if the remote end of the TCP connection has been
>               BGP-anycasted.  Where possible, end-sites should not use
>               PPLB for protocols which are likely to be BGP-anycasted,
>               such as DNS.
> 
>       Recommendations for zone administrators:
> 
>               If your listed, authoritative servers are utilising
>               BGP-anycast, try to have at least one listed server for
>               the zone which is unicast.  This will continue to provide
>               service to PPLB-using end-sites which have not turned off
>               PPLB for specific protocols such as DNS.
> 
>               Remember that excessively long records will, quite likely,
>               cause clients to flip from UDP to DNS.  Try to avoid this
>               on very popular zones by taking advantage of name
>               compression or other tricks.
> 
> --==--
> Bruce.
> 
> [1] Bound to get me in Dean's list of people to complain about. ;)
> [2] Yes, I have been involved with a root server being anycasted.
> .
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