At 16:58 28.06.2002, Stas Bekman wrote:
Thomas Klausner wrote:
Hi! On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 01:04:37PM +0200, Per Einar Ellefsen wrote:
As mentioned before if somebody is willing to wear the mirror coordinator hat, no resistance here. But if somebody just wants to create something that will be abandoned pretty soon, please don't.
Thomas hasn't replied yet... maybe he wants to?
Ups, sorry, cought in some sort of stress lately... As I am going to set up a mirror for my personal use anyway, and our SysAdmin agreed to donate the bandwith, I think I can set up the mirroring, including a small script to check if the mirrors are still active.
Active is not good enough, up-to-date is what's needed.
Ask said:
> If they don't update; we'll stop linking to them and their PageRank > will fall. I don't see outdated information as a big problem.
But it is a problem. For example the site says what the latest release it and /dist includes the latest src. Clearly not-updated sites will mislead people. This is not good.
Link to perl.apache.org/dist/, like we're doing right now. Mirrors won't even have to mirror /dist (it isn't in CVS).
"won't have it" is easy to say, in practice they will, even if you use robot.txt
but it's not only /dist, it's also the info about the latest releases.
also if there are bugs in docs we fix them, users using outdated mirrors won't get these fixes.
Search will also won't work on mirrors unless mirrors will take the pain to setup special environment, which I doubt they will. This will only frustrate people and they will end up at the master site.
Point the search to perl.apache.org.
think further, once they did the search they end up on the master site, how can they go back? Will mirrors set a smart rewrite? I doubt so, will we do such a thing, I doubt too.
Probably there are other reasons for not supporting any official mirrors.
I suggest that we simply let people do what they want and have nothing official (which they will without asking us). We can link to the sites that mirror, without any guarantees what so ever. In this way we don't have to worry about outdated or broken mirrors, and keep our minds concentrated on other more useful things.
Well, if we have something semi-official, at least it does give us better control. We don't have to have tons of different mirrors, but most likely mirrors that we trust. For example, Randy would maybe set up a mirror (like he did with the guide): we can probably trust him to take the correct measures. And by the way: the mod_perl site is perl.apache.org. Basta. People will realise that.
Well, why do you let Randy or Thomas mirror it (and link to his site) but not to Joe fat-bandwidth? Why inventing troubles?
That's why the best solution I see is having nothing official and have a page with links to other sites that may or may not be up-to-date, complete, working or what not.
also remember (which you probably don't) that the guide was usually released once in a few months (every months in the fast growth days), so it was easy to update mirrors. Now we move to the new mode, where updates are immediate (well 6 hours between updates, with manual immediate update on demand), so mirroring has to be more pro-active.
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