On 11/30/2011 11:15 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Perhaps a wiki-page explaining about licensing and copyright in relation to 
documentation.  Licensed CC-by-blah of course and then given to the Creative 
Commons people.  Do the CC people already have something to cover their type of 
licenses that we could summarise on 'our' wiki?  Perhaps our wiki-page could be 
something like
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Copyright
Creative commons has descriptions of the various types of CC licenses available. Their goal is allow the copyright owner to specifically allow certain uses by blanket permission such as you are free to copy or distribute but can not modify or resell the work permission. They have several different schemes depending on the owner's wishes. They describe it as "some rights reserved" instead of "all rights reserved." See http://creativecommons.org/ and
http://creativecommons.org/about

AFAIK copyright is covered by both national law and international treaties while software licenses are regulated only by national law without any international treaties. Thus copyright law is more or less harmonized worldwide - the treaties require a degree of harmonization by signatory countries. Thus US copyright law is very similar to UK copyright law. Software licenses are technically contracts between the producer and user. Thus they are governed by national contract law.
So that it might be more widely useful to people outside of the documentation 
team.  A lot of LO users produce newsletters and things and might be interested.

We would have to include disclaimers and links to legalese or other appropriate 
materials so that it's clear our wiki is not legally binding but may be useful 
for trying to look-up and understand the issues (imo)? (lol)
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 30/11/11, toki<[email protected]>  wrote:

From: toki<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, 30 November, 2011, 16:06

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On 28/11/11 22:30, italovignoli wrote:

- before deciding to use CC BY-NC-SA for all my licensed documents (mostly 
presentations).
Most of the lawsuits involving CC Licenses have involved the meaning of
the CC-BY-NC-SA license.

Look at the difference of opinion expressed by the Creative Commons
Foundation, MIT, and the Dutch Collection Society on what that license
means, grants, permits, and prohibits.

Although we have not discussed the subject at BoD level, I can
anticipate that the foreseeable result of a discussion would be against
using Apache License for documents.

OOAuthors is an organization that is independent of both _The Document
Founation_ and _The Apache Foundation_. As such, rulings by either
organization are technically meaningless.

Defaulting to CC/AL, in my opinion, means to "legally" steal the work of all
people who are not enough knowledgeable about software licenses (in my opinion, 
the majority of people involved in documentation).
The issue is that there is nothing in non-legalese that explains the
consequences of using the different licenses, for documentation, in any
legal jurisdiction.

I would personally veto the license change without a clear and visible 
explanation
of the consequences for their work of AL adoption for documents.
I'd suggest that there be a document that clearly explains the legal
consequences, in plain English, on using:
* CC-BY-SA by itself;
* AL by itself;
* CC-BY-SA and AL;
* LGPL by itself;

jonathon
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