toki.kantoor wrote
> 
> 
>> Look at the difference of opinion expressed by the Creative Commons
>> Foundation, MIT, and the Dutch Collection Society on what that license
>> means, grants, permits, and prohibits.
> 
> I do not think that "national collection" companies represent a good
> example here, as they are focusing on performance arts and collect money
> on behalf of artists. We are speaking about documents here, which are free
> in any case (and whose rights are not given to the collection company in
> order to collect money).
> 
> The problem is to allow or to forbid a commercial entity to leverage
> volunteer's work to produce a proprietary product (with a proprietary
> documentation). CC does not allow this kind of use, while AL allows this
> kind of use.
> 
>> OOAuthors is an organization that is independent of both _The Document
>> Founation_ and _The Apache Foundation_. As such, rulings by either
>> organization are technically meaningless.
> 
> I started my message telling that it was a personal opinion, and it was
> not meant to rule anything. On the other hand, I think that TDF has the
> right to choose the license of LibreOffice documentation used or linked on
> TDF/LibreOffice website.
> 
>> The issue is that there is nothing in non-legalese that explains the
>> consequences of using the different licenses, for documentation, in any
>> legal jurisdiction.
> 
> Unfortunately not, although the Creative Commons website contains an
> extensive documentation on each license and a non legal explanation.
> Software licenses tend to use a strict legalese, which is bad.
> 
>> I'd suggest that there be a document that clearly explains the legal
>> consequences, in plain English, on using:
> 
>> * CC-BY-SA by itself;
>> * AL by itself;
>> * CC-BY-SA and AL;
>> * LGPL by itself;
> 
> I think it is simply impossible, as there are lawyers who support copyleft
> and other lawyers who support permissive licenses (and would make the
> other license look just silly). Basically, the risk of a copyleft license
> is that the license is not honored, while the risk of permissive licenses
> - which is a plus for AL advocates - is that a company picks up your work
> and makes money out of it (which is not bad per se) without giving back to
> the community (i.e. not allowing you, the original author, to make money).
> 
> Permissive licenses are not intrinsically bad, when we speak about server
> side software (the environment they were created for). In this case, they
> attract a number of developers because of their characteristics.
> 
> When used in a desktop (end user) environment, permissive licenses become
> intrinsically bad (I would personally suggest to avoid the term permissive
> in this specific instance). In addition, they only attract IBM (as of
> today, history says this).
> 
> 

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