Thank you for the helpful comments Luke. I will plan to put your suggestion 4 in the documentation. Can anyone explain the difference between an attribute and a format in "beginner" or "layperson" language? I don't think I have a good understanding. I couldn't find it in the documentation, but perhaps I overlooked it. Have an awesome day! Toni
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:46 PM Luke (gmail) <[email protected]> wrote: > Four comments... > > 1/ > To my mind there's a missing piece of information: the definition of (or > how to determine) the default font. > > Is it the Font used by the Default paragraph style (and if so, is it the > Family, the Asian Text Font, or the CTL Font)? > > Or is it something else, like the Default character style (and if so, is > it the Family, the Asian Text Font, or the CTL Font)? > > Or something else? > > 2/ > The information callout says: > "If you want to find text with any font by name, click the Format button > in the Find & Replace dialog of LibreOffice Writer." > > Since people may read just the callout, should it perhaps instead say: > "If you want to find text with any font by name (that is not the default > font), click the Format button in the Find & Replace dialog of > LibreOffice Writer." > > 3/ > Also, reading the text reminds me of why I originally joined the team - > to try to write up what I've been learning about what is meant by direct > formatting. > > I've had so little spare time I still haven't made any contribution in > that area. So I wonder if, in the opening paragraph that opens by saying: > "You can search for text with attributes that are applied either by > direct formatting or by styles." > - whether the mention of "direct formatting" could be hyperlinked to any > documentation that explains what's meant by that. Or is that an area > where I could still perhaps make a contribution? > > 4/ > One final small suggestion: in the "To search for all font changes" > section, might it be a good idea to add a sentence like: > "To search for a specific font (e.g. Times Roman), or a particular font > style (e.g. Italic), select "Format..." instead of "Attributes..." in > the Find & Replace panel", followed by the "Font" tab in the provided > "Search for formatting" panel. > > luke > > On 23/4/20 2:37 am, S Shravz wrote: > > Glad if my inputs did sort this out in some way. > > I haven't referred to this topic in the guide. > > Yes! few aspects are actually confusing for the end user to understand, > > even I have been changing it to be even more user friendly. > > > > Have a nice day! > > > > Kind regards > > Shravani > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 9:40 AM Toni B <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Thank you all for the suggestions and research. > >> Shravani - I do see the behavior you describe and afterward, the text > makes > >> better sense. > >> As an "end user" I think this behavior is very confusing. I would > expect > >> the Find/Replace to work as described in Find and Replace Paragraph > >> Styles. I will have to let this sink in and see if I can find a better > way > >> to describe it for those first using it. The expectation of choices > >> popping up in the Find and the Replace boxes really threw me off and I > >> think it may throw others off who are first using the software. I > welcome > >> any suggestions or opinions. > >> Thanks again! > >> Toni > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:10 PM S Shravz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Toni, > >>> > >>> I just looked into the steps you have drafted in your first email, when > >>> looked into online help I found related content in the below link which > >>> might answer your query: > >>> > >>> > >> > https://help.libreoffice.org/6.4/en-US/text/shared/guide/find_attributes.html?&DbPAR=WRITER&System=WIN > >>> > >>> The link says "For example, if you search for the Font attribute, all > >>> instances of text that do not use the default font are found". So I > guess > >>> the "Font" function works only to search for the font which doesn't > >> default > >>> in the document. Same with the font color option as well when font > color > >> is > >>> changed in the document and the "Find next" option is clicked with the > >>> "Font color" attribute selected, it works. I tried both the options and > >> it > >>> worked for me as per whats mentioned in the link. > >>> > >>> Hope my explanation makes sense. > >>> > >>> Kind regards > >>> Shravani > >>> > >>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 12:45 PM Toni B <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Is anyone able to get the attributes search to work? > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:49 AM Ilmari Lauhakangas < > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Maybe you are seeing > >>>>> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106076 > >>>>> > >>>>> Ilmari > >>>>> > >>>>> Toni B kirjoitti 21.4.2020 klo 18.42: > >>>>>> Hello Team! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I could use some guidance. I am double checking some things in > >>>> updating > >>>>>> the Writer Chapter 3 Guide. I can not get the *Find & Replace > > >>>>> Attributes* > >>>>>> option to work at all. Should we report this as a bug? Do we > >> delete > >>>>> this > >>>>>> section from the manual? *Format* works fine. It is just the > >>>>> *Attributes* > >>>>>> search that doesn't work. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Please see the steps in my previous email below. Since the > >>>> instructions > >>>>>> say the search looks for changes from the default, I changed some of > >>>> the > >>>>>> font colors but still no options show up in the *Find*: box. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [image: image.png] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Toni > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:08 PM Mark Morin <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Font, font color and a lot of others can be found by selecting what > >>>> you > >>>>>>> want replaced clicking on the FORMAT button and then selecting the > >>>>>>> formatting of the selected text that you are looking for. In the > >>>> replace > >>>>>>> field, enter the text you want to use as the replacement, click > >>>> FORMAT > >>>>>>> and select the formatting you want for that text. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For some reason ATTRIBUTES is only available for the field that you > >>>> want > >>>>>>> replaced--making it rather useless. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 8:45 AM, Toni B wrote: > >>>>>>>> Hello Team, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am reviewing *Writer Chapter 3 Working with Text Advanced*.. > >>>> Under > >>>>>>> *Advanced > >>>>>>>> find and replace techniques --> **Find and replace text > >> attributes > >>>> and > >>>>>>>> formatting, *I am unable to search for attributes such as *Font > >> *or > >>>>> *Font > >>>>>>>> color*. Nothing appears in the *Find *box to select. > >>>>>>>> For example, following these steps below, no options appear under > >>>> the > >>>>>>> *Find* > >>>>>>>> box to choose from: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 1. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On the *Find & Replace* dialog (with *Other Options* > >> displayed), > >>>>> click > >>>>>>>> the *Attributes* button. > >>>>>>>> 2. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Select the attribute you wish to search for from the list in > >> the > >>>>>>>> Attributes dialog and click *OK*. The names of the selected > >>>>> attributes > >>>>>>>> appear under the *Find:* box. For example, to search for text > >>>> that > >>>>> has > >>>>>>>> been changed from the default font color, select the *Font > >>>> Color* > >>>>>>>> attribute. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am using LibreOffice Writer version 6.4.2.2 on a Windows 10 PC, > >>>> Is > >>>>>>>> anyone else able to get this working? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Toni > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> Problems? > >>>>>>> > >>>> > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: > >>>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >>>>>>> List archive: > >>>>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > >>>>>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: > >>>> [email protected] > >>>>> Problems? > >>>>> > >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >>>>> Posting guidelines + more: > >>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >>>>> List archive: > >>>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > >>>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> Problems? > >>>> > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >>>> Posting guidelines + more: > >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >>>> List archive: > >> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > >>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: > [email protected] > >> Problems? > >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >> Posting guidelines + more: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >> List archive: > https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >> > >> > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
