Toni, Based on my current understanding, the current names of those buttons don't really make any sense. Note how the "No Format" button clears both. I don't think the current help text is any good either.
I would describe the "formats" you can search for as specific instances or valuations of the "attributes". attribute -> format a/b/c color -> auto, red, blue, ... font -> Liberation Sans, Liberation Serif... etc. But this has nothing to do with any normal meaning of the words "format" or "attribute". So I wouldn't worry too much about the words themselves, and just describe what the features do. Examples: - If you want to search for *any* manually applied font, click the "Attributes" button and check the box next to "Font", then click "OK". - If you want to search for *a particular* manually applied font, such as "Liberation Serif", click the "Format" button, then... --Kenneth On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 12:09 PM Toni B <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for the helpful comments Luke. I will plan to put your > suggestion 4 in the documentation. > Can anyone explain the difference between an attribute and a format in > "beginner" or "layperson" language? I don't think I have a good > understanding. I couldn't find it in the documentation, but perhaps I > overlooked it. > Have an awesome day! > Toni > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:46 PM Luke (gmail) <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Four comments... > > > > 1/ > > To my mind there's a missing piece of information: the definition of (or > > how to determine) the default font. > > > > Is it the Font used by the Default paragraph style (and if so, is it the > > Family, the Asian Text Font, or the CTL Font)? > > > > Or is it something else, like the Default character style (and if so, is > > it the Family, the Asian Text Font, or the CTL Font)? > > > > Or something else? > > > > 2/ > > The information callout says: > > "If you want to find text with any font by name, click the Format button > > in the Find & Replace dialog of LibreOffice Writer." > > > > Since people may read just the callout, should it perhaps instead say: > > "If you want to find text with any font by name (that is not the default > > font), click the Format button in the Find & Replace dialog of > > LibreOffice Writer." > > > > 3/ > > Also, reading the text reminds me of why I originally joined the team - > > to try to write up what I've been learning about what is meant by direct > > formatting. > > > > I've had so little spare time I still haven't made any contribution in > > that area. So I wonder if, in the opening paragraph that opens by > saying: > > "You can search for text with attributes that are applied either by > > direct formatting or by styles." > > - whether the mention of "direct formatting" could be hyperlinked to any > > documentation that explains what's meant by that. Or is that an area > > where I could still perhaps make a contribution? > > > > 4/ > > One final small suggestion: in the "To search for all font changes" > > section, might it be a good idea to add a sentence like: > > "To search for a specific font (e.g. Times Roman), or a particular font > > style (e.g. Italic), select "Format..." instead of "Attributes..." in > > the Find & Replace panel", followed by the "Font" tab in the provided > > "Search for formatting" panel. > > > > luke > > > > On 23/4/20 2:37 am, S Shravz wrote: > > > Glad if my inputs did sort this out in some way. > > > I haven't referred to this topic in the guide. > > > Yes! few aspects are actually confusing for the end user to > understand, > > > even I have been changing it to be even more user friendly. > > > > > > Have a nice day! > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Shravani > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 9:40 AM Toni B <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Thank you all for the suggestions and research. > > >> Shravani - I do see the behavior you describe and afterward, the text > > makes > > >> better sense. > > >> As an "end user" I think this behavior is very confusing. I would > > expect > > >> the Find/Replace to work as described in Find and Replace Paragraph > > >> Styles. I will have to let this sink in and see if I can find a > better > > way > > >> to describe it for those first using it. The expectation of choices > > >> popping up in the Find and the Replace boxes really threw me off and I > > >> think it may throw others off who are first using the software. I > > welcome > > >> any suggestions or opinions. > > >> Thanks again! > > >> Toni > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:10 PM S Shravz <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Toni, > > >>> > > >>> I just looked into the steps you have drafted in your first email, > when > > >>> looked into online help I found related content in the below link > which > > >>> might answer your query: > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > https://help.libreoffice.org/6.4/en-US/text/shared/guide/find_attributes.html?&DbPAR=WRITER&System=WIN > > >>> > > >>> The link says "For example, if you search for the Font attribute, all > > >>> instances of text that do not use the default font are found". So I > > guess > > >>> the "Font" function works only to search for the font which doesn't > > >> default > > >>> in the document. Same with the font color option as well when font > > color > > >> is > > >>> changed in the document and the "Find next" option is clicked with > the > > >>> "Font color" attribute selected, it works. I tried both the options > and > > >> it > > >>> worked for me as per whats mentioned in the link. > > >>> > > >>> Hope my explanation makes sense. > > >>> > > >>> Kind regards > > >>> Shravani > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 12:45 PM Toni B <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Is anyone able to get the attributes search to work? > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:49 AM Ilmari Lauhakangas < > > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Maybe you are seeing > > >>>>> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106076 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Ilmari > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Toni B kirjoitti 21.4.2020 klo 18.42: > > >>>>>> Hello Team! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I could use some guidance. I am double checking some things in > > >>>> updating > > >>>>>> the Writer Chapter 3 Guide. I can not get the *Find & Replace > > > >>>>> Attributes* > > >>>>>> option to work at all. Should we report this as a bug? Do we > > >> delete > > >>>>> this > > >>>>>> section from the manual? *Format* works fine. It is just the > > >>>>> *Attributes* > > >>>>>> search that doesn't work. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Please see the steps in my previous email below. Since the > > >>>> instructions > > >>>>>> say the search looks for changes from the default, I changed some > of > > >>>> the > > >>>>>> font colors but still no options show up in the *Find*: box. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> [image: image.png] > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thank you! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Toni > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:08 PM Mark Morin <[email protected]> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Font, font color and a lot of others can be found by selecting > what > > >>>> you > > >>>>>>> want replaced clicking on the FORMAT button and then selecting > the > > >>>>>>> formatting of the selected text that you are looking for. In the > > >>>> replace > > >>>>>>> field, enter the text you want to use as the replacement, click > > >>>> FORMAT > > >>>>>>> and select the formatting you want for that text. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> For some reason ATTRIBUTES is only available for the field that > you > > >>>> want > > >>>>>>> replaced--making it rather useless. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 8:45 AM, Toni B wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Hello Team, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I am reviewing *Writer Chapter 3 Working with Text Advanced*.. > > >>>> Under > > >>>>>>> *Advanced > > >>>>>>>> find and replace techniques --> **Find and replace text > > >> attributes > > >>>> and > > >>>>>>>> formatting, *I am unable to search for attributes such as *Font > > >> *or > > >>>>> *Font > > >>>>>>>> color*. Nothing appears in the *Find *box to select. > > >>>>>>>> For example, following these steps below, no options appear > under > > >>>> the > > >>>>>>> *Find* > > >>>>>>>> box to choose from: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> 1. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On the *Find & Replace* dialog (with *Other Options* > > >> displayed), > > >>>>> click > > >>>>>>>> the *Attributes* button. > > >>>>>>>> 2. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Select the attribute you wish to search for from the list > in > > >> the > > >>>>>>>> Attributes dialog and click *OK*. The names of the selected > > >>>>> attributes > > >>>>>>>> appear under the *Find:* box. For example, to search for > text > > >>>> that > > >>>>> has > > >>>>>>>> been changed from the default font color, select the *Font > > >>>> Color* > > >>>>>>>> attribute. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I am using LibreOffice Writer version 6.4.2.2 on a Windows 10 > PC, > > >>>> Is > > >>>>>>>> anyone else able to get this working? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Thank you! > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Kind regards, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Toni > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: > > >>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>>> Problems? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>> > > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > >>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: > > >>>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > >>>>>>> List archive: > > >>>>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > > >>>>>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>>> Problems? > > >>>>> > > >> > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > >>>>> Posting guidelines + more: > > >>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > >>>>> List archive: > > >>>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > > >>>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> Problems? > > >>>> > > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > >>>> Posting guidelines + more: > > >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > >>>> List archive: > > >> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > > >>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: > > [email protected] > > >> Problems? > > >> > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > >> Posting guidelines + more: > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > >> List archive: > > https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > > >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: > [email protected] > > Problems? > > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
