Hello Steve

My intention ws not fully explained as I was still thinking about it.

The prospect of fully explaining all Impress toolbars and the tool functions 
would make the appendix somewhat large. I want to try and keep it simple so 
that the appendix is mainly a visual reference for the toolbars. That is an 
illustration of each toolbar and an illustration of all the tools available for 
that toolbar.

Where a toolbar does not become visible until something else becomes active, 
this will be explained. For example, the Image toolbar does not become active 
and visible until an image is selected and it also replaces the Line and 
Filling toolbar.

There may also be a brief explanation of the purpose of each toolbar.

I will prepare an example appendix and put it on NextCloud in the Impress 
folder for comment.

I do not want to create an encyclopaedia.

Regards
Peter Schofield
[email protected]



> On 18 Aug 2020, at 18:18, Steve (GMail) <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Thanks for generating the idea.
> 
> From the Calc Guide perspective, it's an interesting idea. Calc's View > 
> Toolbars menu identifies 20 toolbars so a new appendix might get quite thick 
> (although I know that Calc won't win the prize for the most toolbars in an LO 
> component)! On the plus side, some of the toolbar descriptions within the 
> other chapters could be pruned. However I am confident that some of these 
> toolbars are not mentioned anywhere in the 6.4 Calc Guide, which possibly 
> should be addressed. I think it is also possible that some of them aren't 
> mentioned in the Help files (Olivier might have a view of that).
> 
> In summary I am concerned about the scope of the task. With respect to 
> toolbars, I would be happy if we agreed to include an appendix that listed 
> them, included a short, summary statement about the purpose of the toolbar, 
> and listed the names of the functions that are visible in the toolbar's 
> default configuration. I don't think it would be cost effective (in terms of 
> volunteer effort) or useful to include an out of context description of each 
> option, because many of the options will already be described in context 
> within other chapters. I also don't think we should bother including lists of 
> the assigned but invisible options.
> 
> In addition, before we dive into it, we should think about other implications:
> Would an additional appendix be proposed to list all the options available in 
> the (default) Menu bar?
> What about the organisation of the options available in the other user 
> interface options (e.g. Tabbed, Tabbed Compact and Groupedbar Compact)?
> Is there any commonality across the various LO components that could be 
> covered in the Getting Started Guide rather than being replicated in the 
> individual guides?
> Regards,
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Peter Schofield" <[email protected]>
> To: "LibreOffice" <[email protected]>
> Sent: 18/08/2020 08:05:13
> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Toolbars in LibreOffice - an appendix?
> 
>> Hello Everybody
>> 
>> I would like your opinions on creating an appendix for every guide that 
>> contains all the tools that are available for the toolbars.
>> 
>> To explain — I am updating the Impress Guide to 7.0 and I have to deal with 
>> toolbars. Instead of having to explain that the tools on each toolbar or the 
>> optional tools that are available for each toolbar, would it be better to 
>> create an appendix containing all the information on toolbars, that is 
>> default set of tools and optional tools that can be accessible after using 
>> Visible Buttons. This would become Appendix B Toolbars in the Impress Guide 
>> and would similar to Appendix A Keyboard Shortcuts.
>> 
>> I know it means creating an extra chapter for a guide, but I think it is 
>> worth it. Also users would not be scratching heads wondering where all the 
>> tools are.
>> 
>> Please let me know what you think. I am prepared to create an Impress 
>> Appendix B as a trial so everybody can see what I am trying to do.
>> 
>> With regards
>> Peter Schofield
>> [email protected]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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