Hello Steve Your comments I agree with totally.
At the moment the Toolbar Appendix could be a millstone around our necks, but I hope that it jogs the design and user experience people into action. I have come across the problems you mention about blank areas and no name. Also, I think there are too many toolbars and some are definitely over the top with one only contains TWO tools. I will stick with the Toolbar Appendix for now and will probably create one for the Draw Guide when I start updating it to 7.0. The Draw Guide and Impress Guide are very closely related and there is a lot of cross information to handle. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com > On 31 Aug 2020, at 23:19, Steve (GMail) <stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: > > All, > > I have spent the last couple of days drafting an equivalent appendix for the > 7.0 Calc Guide. Like Peter with Impress, I have found issues with Calc’s > toolbars. They would certainly benefit from a review by the LibreOffice > Design and User Experience team. > > I have concluded that at this stage, including such an appendix in the guide > might do more harm than good. Consequently, my current intention is to > progress the 7.0 Calc Guide without a Toolbars appendix. > Some of the issues with Calc’s toolbars are as follows: > > 1) Some of the toolbars seems to comprise a disparate grouping of > apparently unrelated options. Are they all necessary? > 2) Data Streams toolbar. This toolbar provides two buttons, both greyed > out until the "Enable experimental features (may be unstable)" option is > enabled at Tools > Options > LibreOffice > Advanced. Why is this toolbar > available for display if the user has not enabled experimental features; > surely it should be grayed, just like the Data > Streams option in the Menu > bar? > 3) The Image toolbar has an option installed which is blank (no text). Is > this correct? What is the purpose of this? > 4) The Media Playback toolbar also has an option installed which is blank > (no text) when viewed in its Visible Buttons menu. Rather surprisingly if you > select this nameless option, then a whole series of controls appear on the > toolbar (Play, Pause, Stop, Repeat, Position, Mute, Volume, etc)! > 5) The TSCP Classification toolbar appears unnecessary. I assume that the > action of setting a document’s classification is not something that will be > done frequently – wouldn’t an option in the Menu bar make more sense to avoid > wasting screen space with a little-used option? It seems odd to me that this > option appears to be available only through its own toolbar. > 6) I have not noticed too many spelling and capitalization issues with > Calc’s toolbars. However, I have noticed cases where the name of the tool > installed on the toolbar seems to differ unnecessarily from the text of the > tooltip that appears when hovering the cursor over the tool. > > I intend to raise bug reports in Bugzilla to report the issues that I have > found. After they have been progressed, maybe it will be worth considering > again the possible inclusion of the new appendix in the Calc Guide. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Peter Schofield" <psaut...@gmail.com> > To: "LibreOffice" <documentation@global.libreoffice.org> > Sent: 28/08/2020 15:34:55 > Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide version 7.0 > >> Appendix B Toolbars for the Impress Guide 7.0 is now the Drafts folder ready >> for its 1st review and comment. >> >> Creating this appendix has given me the opinion that toolbars have to be >> seriously looked at as to a toolbar’s purpose and usability. I do feel that >> some of these toolbars could be deleted. I would like some opinions on this >> topic. >> >> Also, tool names should be looked at for correct spelling and >> capitalisation. These errors I cannot correct because I have no experience >> in editing software. >> >> To close with, some of the names given in Visible Buttons list do not match >> the actual name given on the toolbar. This definitely needs fixing. >> >> Regards >> Peter Schofield >> psaut...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
