I used to have to step climb for cooling on a hot day until I added and
improved my baffles. I have a question regarding intake air for the
carburetors. Best I can tell the carbs ingest air preheated by both
cylinder cooling air and heat transferred from the hot muffler. Doesn't
this have a significant effect on engine power? Has anyone ever measured
the temperature of the intake air? Given that and a hot day, max power has
to be down 10 percent or so.

Upside of the existing arrangement suggest carburetor icing should never be
a factor.

Michael Stockhill
Polson MT

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 4:17 PM Ian Mc Phee <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ian
>
> MGL 4 channel is a must I believe (although I have 2 gliders with KSA
> CHT1DT and I add a switch arrangement with 4 channels and these instruments
> are over 30 years old with transistors and still works!!!) How old is your
> TV or phone.?
>
> Consider the MGL as a one off insurance policy on the engine for about
> $A550.  The bonus of always below 180deg c on climb is tappets NEVER NEED
> TO BE ADJUSTED IN 700HRS!
>
> Yes ASI between top and bottom is great way to go to check sealing of dam.
> I have just learnt a falke has added a seal below the spinner and evened up
> temps even more. He uses an MGL.
>
> I am mostly down to 4deg C between cylinders but has taken a while.
>
> Ian McPhee
> 0428847642
> Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Jul. 2020, 08:52 Ian Williams, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> Im not as technical as you, but if any help, when we were test flying the
>> Grob 109 with the 2400 Stemme engine, we had to carry out a pre STC
>> approval series of flight tests.  One was relating to engine and oil
>> cooling.
>>
>> So we used a standard ASI with the pressure in the engine and the static
>> behind the baffles.   We were comparing the indicated airspeed with the
>> “baffle one”
>>
>> The results we got were as follows
>>
>>    1. Using the original baffles the ASI at slow speed was around  5Kts
>>    faster   at higher speeds (100kts) the two came together
>>    2. When we had finished the new baffles, we were getting a 15 Kt
>>    difference at slow speed and again they came together at high speed.
>>
>> In practice it didn’t have a lot of effect on the CHT’s with the Grob.
>> However a similar effort to make the baffles “as tight as a fish’s bum”  on
>> our Dimona had a really big effect on the CHT’s.  We didn’t use the ASI
>> test as were very happy with the results.
>>
>> I have recently installed a MGL 4 ch CHT (nice colours) which confirms
>> our work.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope that is some help Rob.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian W
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* [email protected] *On Behalf Of *Rob Thompson
>> *Sent:* Monday, 20 July 2020 12:17 p.m.
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* [DOG mailing list] Cooling airflow and Mixture relationship
>>
>>
>>
>> G'day Everyone,
>>
>> As many of you will know I am OCD about sealing every tiny air leak in
>> the Limbach engine bay compartment with silicone, aluminium tape and rubber
>> cowl seals.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have previously rigged up a water manometer in the cockpit with the
>> tubes running to the top and bottom of the engine. It told me I was getting
>> very good pressure difference but I didn't take much notice of the actual
>> measurements. I think it was somewhere around 30cm.
>>
>>
>>
>> As well as the ram air going into the front of the engine the lower cowl
>> is designed to "suck". We fitted a big scoop type bottom cowl which seems
>> to suck pretty well.... particularly with the baffles tightly sealed with
>> silicon.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I am wondering now is..... What is the effect of this extra suction
>> at the back of the engine on the carbs and mixture?
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe it is not much different to flying at altitude and the SU carbs
>> altitude compensating ability can deal with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any fluid dynamics physics experts in this Dog group who can enlighten
>> me?
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob Thompson
>>
>> 0429 493 828
>>
>>
>>
>

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