As with all things - it depends on what you want to do.

But not many apps or sites use frames now.  The only commercial site that ever used it 
well IMHO
was jungle.com, but even they've moved to a more standard approach.  One nice example 
now is the
source view on IBuySpy portal.  It's pretty simple compared to most web apps, but does 
display one
good use of frames.

I've found that in general frames turn out to be a pain.  Annoyances like having to 
have more
complex code (specifying target frames); error displays (one part of the screen 
displays an error
the other is fine); and user understanding of scrolling in framesets (they don't 
understand where
the frames are until they start to experiment) - all means that they are more trouble 
than they
are worth in complex applications.

Plus with ASP.Net user controls (and caching) there's little to be gained from frames 
in terms of
application performance, or internal code structure.  Well none whatsoever come to 
think of it.

If you're looking at designing a complex application then start at Amazon.com and do 
it how they
do it.  Why?
- Users understand Amazon pretty well (and therefore can apply the same 
knowledge/idioms to your
site/app)
- It is complex enough to have most features that you could want in some form
- It has years of experience fed back into its design
- Most sites operate in the same or a similar way.  It's a good example of the design 
of the vast
majority of sites out there.  Of course it's Unix based, but nothing is perfect. :-)

Don't try to be original - stick to tried and tested and well-understood idioms.  And 
prototype
your layout before you start getting into lots of coding.  My personal choice for 
prototyping is
Dreamweaver, which IMO is quickest tool for doing initial layouts.

My 2pence,
Peter Foreman

--- Rob Mc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We are in the early design stages for an ASP.Net application and are trying
> to determine whether to use frames or an IBUYSPY type presentation
> approach.  We would very much appreciate any comments as to the pros and
> cons of either.
>
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