one the slaughterhouse is open, and shearing has been completed.

Enjoy the jumper you will receive for christmas :)

On 24 Nov, 17:27, "Stephen Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> SHEEP!
>
> When can this thread die?  
>
> .........................
> Stephen Russell -
> Senior Visual Studio Developer, DBA
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KeidrickP
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:06 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [DotNetDevelopment] Re: northwind database
>
> ok,
> so by posting that URL I didn't expect it to turn into a full week
> discussion.
> It is very apparent that people feel a certain way about someone not
> taking the time to look before posting a question in this group.
> Anyone else that reads this please take the time to at least google,
> or search the archives before posting a single one-lined question.
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:12 AM, CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Kaarthik,
>
> > Cerebrus doesn't work full time moderating this group, nor is he paid
> > anything for doing it.
>
> > Because these discussions work both online and through email, a
> > discussion can get heated and out of control very quickly, I often
> > find 50 new posts each time I visit, and I feel I look on here a lot.
>
> > People with intelligence should be self-moderating, and should try to
> > put up with others who cannot.
>
> > That said, it is quite a penomenon that people "discussing" on the
> > internet will often not be themselves as they are shielded from real
> > physical interaction by their keyboard.
>
> > We've had numerous threads like this one where people start getting
> > angry, I started one by paraphrasing a rediculous question that had
> > led to expert leaving the group to try and show people how stupid
> > question lead to far more than stupid answers.
>
> > I enjoy reading the posts on this group, and answering where I can,
> > and occasionally I even ask questions!
>
> > This forum only needs one rule to survive happily, Try Google First!
>
> > On 24 Nov, 01:45, "Kaarthik Padmanabhan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Cerebrus,
> >> Thanks for checking in at last.
>
> >> It does not matter if someone who joins the group, reads or does not read
> >> the rules and regulations, It is totally their problem.
> >> But at any point if they violate the rules, YOU could remove that person
> -
> >> stating that he or she has crossed the line. But for you to do that, you
> >> should have the rules pinned down somewhere at the first place.
>
> >> Resorting to calling people names or making jokes does not seem to be the
> >> right approach.
>
> >> Maybe you should have done this long back, probably then maybe you would
> not
> >> have lost "innumerable experts" who got shooed away by slothful idiots
> and
> >> laggard nincompoops.
>
> >> I can understand how frustrating it could get(especially for you) to see
> a
> >> slew of emails for VFAQ's AND subscriptions.
> >> But I share the same concern for people who get publicly humiliated and
> >> mocked at. Put it in the rules and make it a violation and kick the
> person
> >> out - seems a lot more simpler? Doesn't it?
>
> >> I only hope this thread gets closed with some solution or else it would
> mean
> >> that "someone" has chickened out.
>
> >> And Brandon - are you really following this thread? Santhosh has already
> >> answered this infamous question on this thread's 18th reply. And who were
> >> the people who took it that long? Oh wait a second.. I do see a "Brandon"
> >> somewhere in between there...
>
> >> Kaarthik
>
> >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Brandon Betances
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> >> > Amen Brother. There's a huge difference between coherent, intelligent,
> well
> >> > thought out discussions, and asking the same stupid one sentence
> questions
> >> > over again. They fact of the matter is, if the OP would have taken the
> time
> >> > to type Northwind into Wikipedia, which just took me all of 5 seconds
> to do,
> >> > he would have gotten this answer.
>
> >> > Northwind, a sample database
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database>included in MS
> >> > Access <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Access> and MS SQL
> Server<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_SQL_Server>often used in examples of
> database queries or data access programming.
>
> >> > Problem solved, question answered, and now week long heated argument
> that
> >> > STILL has'nt answered the question. Matter of fact, its taking me
> longer to
> >> > write this message than it was to find the answer to the question.
>
> >> > Those properties, the ability to research, learn on your own, expand
> your
> >> > knowledge, and know where to turn when in need of help, are what
> separate a
> >> > good programmer from someone who makes a living off other peoples work.
> No
> >> > offense, OP, but if you couldn't use the plethora of tools given to you
> by
> >> > Al Gore, then you wont make it as a "good" software architect.
>
> >> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Cerebrus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> >> A lot has been said in this thread about the role of moderators and
> >> >> the need for modification of the Group's rules/regulations and I will
> >> >> comment on them, but first, I quote :
>
> >> >> ---
> >> >> > If Google was the answer to all the question please tell the aims
> and
> >> >> > objectives of this forum. Please paste
> >> >> > "Only Experienced and Advanced Questions and Users Expected!!" in
> the
> >> >> welcome
> >> >> > page
> >> >> ---
>
> >> >> > (mocking at a person) is not going to invite new users and is surely
> not
> >> >> making this the "most
> >> >> > popular Google group for discussions on Microsoft.NET(R) and related
> >> >> > technologies".
> >> >> ---
>
> >> >> > then let us have those points added to the rules and
> >> >> > regulations. Can we?
> >> >> > There are a lot of things documented. Are you telling me  that
> >> >> > only undocumented and unexplained queries have been answered by
> people
> >> >> in
> >> >> > this group so far?
> >> >> ---
>
> >> >> > this is not in rules and regulations of the
> >> >> > forum so newbies would be eager to ask such questions. And it will
> be
> >> >> good
> >> >> > some senior members mark such questions as closed for the begining
> >> >> itself
> >> >> > there by avoiding some one abuse for this and avoiding a bulk thread
> >> >> like
> >> >> > this ;)
>
> >> >> > Something like
>
> >> >> > ===========
> >> >> > CLOSED FOR GOOGLE
> >> >> > ===========
>
> >> >> ---
> >> >> > No one has answered the question about including some points to the
> >> >> rules and
> >> >> > regulations yet. Moderator! KNOCK KNOCK - are you there?
>
> >> >> > Let us get something constructive here with this one. Something like
> >> >> this
> >> >> > would not offend anyone:
>
> >> >> >    1. Avoid posting questions which have already been asked. Please
> >> >> search
> >> >> >    the group for similar questions, before you post yours
> >> >> >    2. Post your questions with some example code wherever possible.
> >> >> >    Arbitrary questions will not be entertained.
> >> >> >    3. Users repeatedly violating these terms will be automatically
> >> >> >    unsubscribed from the list.
> >> >> ---
>
> >> >> My comments are as follows :
>
> >> >> 1. The aims and objectives of this Group are the same as those of any
> >> >> online technical discussion forum - mutually productive interaction
> >> >> between intelligent members of a community. A user does not need to be
> >> >> advanced or experienced to be able to Google. That is the point many
> >> >> members have been trying to make. I want to add that this Group has
> >> >> never been anti-newbie. One common element in most such discussions is
> >> >> that all people who ask stupid un-researched questions are branded as
> >> >> newbies and the impression is created that the experts in this Group
> >> >> do not want to help newbies. This is a grossly misleading
> >> >> characterization. All newbies are not lazy, indolent idiots who demand
> >> >> to be assisted with the most basic of problems. A person could be very
> >> >> experienced and still not be bothered to do the slightest research.
>
> >> >> 2. This is the most popular Google group for Microsoft.NET discussions
> >> >> because of its members who are highly respected, highly knowledgable
> >> >> and highly passionate about the subject. It has *not* become popular
> >> >> because we chose to spoonfeed slothful idiots so that a good public
> >> >> impression could be maintained. We are not a corporation and we do not
> >> >> care about our Public relations image. We have had innumerable experts
> >> >> leave the Group because it had become a forum for "homework questions"
> >> >> and the majority of us did not find it intellectually stimulating at
> >> >> all to answer a VFAQ. When laggard nincompoops leave the Group no one
> >> >> notices but when experts leave the Group, the loss is widely felt
> >> >> because these are the people who actually contribute to make this a
> >> >> better community.
>
> >> >> 3. It is I who wrote the "Welcome message" of the Group two years back
> >> >> and it is I who takes the sole responsibility for its
> >> >> comprehensiveness (or lack, thereof). I welcome suggestions about it,
> >> >> but before you send me manuscripts full of ideas, answer me two
> >> >> questions - Do you know what percentage of members have never
> >> >> (bothered to) read the Welcome message? After about 3 years moderating
> >> >> this Group, my estimate is that about 70% of members simply ignored
> >> >> that message and the included rules/regulations. Yes, that is the
> >> >> reason I later changed a part of it to red and bold faced. Do you know
> >> >> how many emails I get on my personal email address asking me to
> >> >> subscribe them to the Group's membership ? About 1-2 every day. I
> >> >> always check and they're almost always already subscribed. I mean, how
> >> >> hard is it to see the "Join this Group" link on the right ?
>
> >> >> Even if I chose to include the suggested guidelines explicitly, I
> >> >> doubt it would have much effect on the behaviour of those whose
> >> >> languor is so great that they find it easier to ask a question here
> >> >> rather than Google it, for those who would rather write an incoherent
> >> >> question fully of misspellings that
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