Hi Stefan,
sorry, we somehow excluded dpp-devel from the CC. Raydhitya and I continued the
discussion on this topic. Main result: He will think about his proposal and
formulate are more thorough concept, i.e. a description of the conceptual
workflows and the roles that Saros and version control systems (SVN, Git) play
in that. Provided this concept seems useful, we'll discuss further steps.
Best Regards,
Franz
From: Stefan Rossbach [mailto:srossb...@arcor.de]
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:53 AM
To: Zieris, Franz
Cc: Raydhitya Yoseph; dpp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [DPP-Devel] Asking Idea
Just some short statements, see below
On 03.06.2013 13:12, Zieris, Franz wrote:
Hi Raydhitya,
You should have received a preliminary reply from me right after your first
request. However, I was ill last week so I could not compose my follow-up mail
earlier.
I just granted you the permission to push new changes which then can be
reviewed by the other developers. As every new developer, you are not allowed
to commit those changes to our central repository yet. Your changes will stay
in our review system until a senior developer approves them.
The first thing that comes to my mind when I read your feature proposal: That
does not sound like Saros's main purpose. Instead, it looks like you want to
add version control features without using version control. Did you consider
using SVN or Git in your use case? For clarification: Could you sketch the
problems your proposal could solve, which a workflow using Saros and version
control couldn't?
http://sourceforge.net/p/dpp/feature-requests/107/
http://sourceforge.net/p/dpp/feature-requests/100/
Please keep in mind that I do NOT decide which feature should be implemented,
so that is the task of Franz.
Best Regards,
Franz
From: Raydhitya Yoseph [mailto:raydhitya.yos...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:22 AM
To: dpp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:dpp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: [DPP-Devel] Asking Idea
I asked for push permission a week ago and still waiting for the reply.
Meanwhile I explored Saros using JTourBus and it's log and now I want to ask
about my idea.
I'm currently an undergraduate student in Institut Teknologi Bandung which
located in Indonesia. I'm interested in Global Software Development (GSD) and
decided to make GSD as my final project. So, after discussing with my
supervisor and researching for tools which help doing GSD project I found out
about Saros.
My idea is basically adding asynchronous feature to Saros. The feature's use
case will be when two or more programmers working on one project and they are
separated geographically.
It consists of 3 features:
1. Record session so programmers can know their previous sessions;
2. Gives highlight to what have been changed from previous version like diff;
3. Asynchronous messaging like email.
The use case will be one day the programmers sit in a session together. Then
one will logged out from the session first because of time difference. Next day
the programmers whom logged out first can receive message from other
programmers and his/her project synchronize with the change after he/she left
plus adding color highlighting to the difference.
I tried sharing one project and when the remote user choose existing
destination Saros will overwrite the contents. So my first question: is it
possible to change this behavior to check the destination project similarity
against host project and add the difference?
The host is sending you the files that do not match. How to merge them
correctly and send it back ? I do not know, but to be honest we have massive
synchronization problems / defects when the session goes beyond 2 users.
Please keep that in mind when designing such features because they should work
with N>2 session users concurrently (other users may invited during the merge
process etc. pp.).
Second question, how about the concept of persistent session with predefined
project and users? Is this possible?
What do you mean with persistent session ? If you leave a session(N>2 users)
you are "out of sync".
One last feature my supervisor suggested is non automatic synchronization for
some parts of the project. During one session, one programmer can make the
project uncompilable at the same time the other programmer want to compile the
project. Finally last question: is it possible to synchronize only when the
programmer wants to do so?
The projects are always synchronized on sharing start and stay synchronized the
full time.
This is currently a "mental problem" of Distributed Pair Programming. Most
users only see the benefits of DPP but not the "disadvantages". You are
collaborating on shared resources in real time and
so this is a common scenario. It depends on the programming language you use.
E.g: You can "run" Java programms with compile errors as long as the class that
could not be compiled is not loaded during JVM runtime. As for C/C++ this will
not work.
We already offering partial sharing mode (also not full defect free) which
offers you the opportunity to only share a subset of files of a project where
you can later add more files as necessary. This should help to prevent some
compile
errors on some sides.
BR,
Stefan
I'll really appreciate any given help.
Thank you,
Raydhitya
--
Raydhitya Yoseph
Informatics Engineering
Institut Teknologi Bandung
http://raydhityayoseph.blogspot.com
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