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Sounds like the PA might be oscillating on 20M. Do you have another set of tubes to try, to see if behaves differently?
John


At 12:52 PM 12/1/2007, you wrote:

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Garey:
What I found taught me a lesson and has me confused. After rechecking the PS, and reconnecting to the TR4C, I realized I hadn't tried bias adjustment on anywhere other than 20m. The bias acts normally on all other bands, but on 14Mhz, the bias won't go below .25 amp, the rf tune control has no effect on output, the plate current won't dip, and when the mode switch is ccw, as on LSB, the PA output is still high. This has me totally confused. The rig acts correctly on all other bands....even gives me 140 watts on 28Mhz. Any ideas?
Tom

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Subject: Re: [drakelist] AC3 Bias



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Tom -

OK. The specified load for the Bias supply is ~ 30k, so a load of this value would emulate the load of the transceiver.

The bias goes to the PA via the _middle_ feedthrough on the side of the PA shield under the chassis. These feedthroughs are fragile and easily cracked if too much force is applied to the terminals. The "other" points in the transceiver that are tied to the Bias supply are all very high impedance, so a short on one of those is unlikely to cause as big a difference as you are seeing.

Another "unlikely" fault would be a Grid-Cathode short in one of the final tubes.

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

Drake 2-B, 4-B & C-Line Service Supplement CDs
<www.k4oah.com>



Thomas Wright wrote:

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Garey:
I measured the bias while disconnected from the transceiver, and when swinging the pot from stop to stop it seemed to vary the minus voltage linearly with no spikes, but of course the Fluke may dampen such a spike if it's a fast one. I'm thinking it may be one of the two resistors opening up under heat or current (6.8K and 10K). The pot measures correct resistance from one end to the other. When connected to the rig the current was either very low or very high, but when disconnected, the voltage seems vernier as it should. I thought that -52 volts or so may be too high a bias voltage, especially if that's as low as it will go. Thanks for you continued help.
Tom

----- Original Message ----- From: "Garey Barrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [drakelist] AC3 Bias



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Thomas -

I just re-read your message......

If the IDLE current is either Zero or 0.4A, with little adjustment, I'd suspect the potentiometer has a break or "bad spot" on the resistive element.

That behavior indicates that the Bias voltage is either some high value, such as 70-80 Negative volts, cutting the final tubes off completely, or somewhere around 30-40 Negative volts, allowing some 400 ma of idle current, depending upon which side of the break the wiper is on.

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

Drake 2-B, 4-B & C-Line Service Supplement CDs
<www.k4oah.com>



Thomas Wright wrote:
Maybe you guys can direct me a little. My AC3 has been showing signs of bad caps, especially in the bias section ( one of the bias caps measured at 700MFD). I replaced all the caps in all sections, using 33MFD 160 volt caps in the bias section, and while I was there did the diodes. After reassembly the bias was adjustable from 41 or so to 80 volts. TR-4C was running well. Today after operating for an hour or so, the transmitter started to show very high plate current, so I checked the bias and found that it was either zero or above .4 amps, without much adjustment between the two, and of course when higher the xmit relay was engaging. Reducing xmit gain would not reduce the plate current. I measured the voltage at the plug and the bias is now only adjustable from 52 to 94 volts, which I think is too high. There's not much else to replace in the AC3 except the bias pot and two resistors, both of which measure within tolerance statically. Any thoughts?

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