José Fonseca wrote:
> On 2002.05.25 11:05 Keith Whitwell wrote:
> 
>>
>>> Interestingly, I just got this response from ATI regarding my request 
>>> for
>>> info:
>>>
>>>
>>>>  We are not providing information for 3D development (DRI Project) 
>>>> for the
>>>>  8500 as of yet. This may change in the future but at this point not in
>>>>  the near future.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was under the impression that they had provided this information to 
>>> (at
>>> least) you, Keith, and Kevin?
>>
>>
>> I think ATI is just sick of people pestering them for specs.  They 
>> made them available to opensource types *before* the release of the 
>> 8500, but noone took them up or did anything with them.  Please 
>> (everyone) don't go pestering them further...
>>
>> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> How did they make them available? Was something about it posted? I made 
> a quick search on this list about it and there was no reference 
> whatsoever...
> 
> Well, until Kevin (the only one with specs so far) gets the driver more 
> in shape, the others' (with no specs) only option is to hold on to the 
> resemblance between the Radeon 7500 and the 8500... How far are they alike?
> 
> 
> This is a little sad, because while when debugging/finishing a driver 
> the specs aren't so important as the source is more or less self 
> documenting, to start a new driver is impossible without specs. How are 
> we supposed to encorage people to step in to pick on new drivers if they 
> can't get specs?
> 
> (IMHO: The specs should be accessible to anyone... While in certain 
> fields this is happening due to the spread of Linux, 3D graphics isn't 
> surely one of them. In any case we can't really blaim ATI, as they have 
> been one of the most open and supportive in this matter so far... I hope 
> that it won't step back though..)

I don't think it would be at all difficult for someone who's got a track 
record with some other chip to get the 8500 specs, but I think there's a 
problem with lots of people requesting specs from ati & then not following 
through.  It just gives a bad impression I think.

Keith




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