--- David Willmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Keith Whitwell wrote:
> > OK, maybe I'm getting carried away.
> > 
> > But as I see it, there aren't many people in total on dri_devel+dri_users. 
> > The only people who can really answer dri_users questions are on dri_devel 
> > anyway.  Why have two lists?
> > 
> > There aren't a great number of dri_users questions anyway and a good 
> > percentage of them probably should be on dri_devel as it stands now
> (they're 
> > proper bugs, or whatever).
> > 
> > So, I guess I still think the second list:
> >     - doesn't serve it's intended audience well
> >     - doesn't save us any time (except by making it easier to ignore users).
> > 
> > But, I don't feel anywhere near as strongly about this as about the 
> > sourceforge bug tracker.  I can live with either outcome.
> 
> I guess what I'd like to say is that there is reason to have dri-users and
> dri-devel
> seperate as they have different uses.  dri-users is more for startup and
> newbie 
> questions.  dri-devel is for developers to converse.  And, yes, there should
> be a
> crowd of 'power users' spanning the bridge, but that takes time to develop. 
> I'm
> starting to feel comfortable enough with the DRI to be able to help out over 
> there and I only expect that to increase.  The re-write of the web pages
> should
> help, as well.  The recent discussion on what the data/call flow charts
> should
> look like--if captured on the web site--would be an invaluable resource to
> get
> more 'power users' bootstrapped.
> 
> So, I'd recommend that things keep on like they have been.  Keep the lists
> as they are.  Update the web site.  Distribute some point release betas of
> code (not just nightly tar balls or CVS--those are almost useless to the
> would be power user).  Announce the code releases.  Having an almost un-
> documented web page with nightly tarballs or anon CVS access is pretty user-
> hostile.
> 
> Now that T&L is merged, how about a point beta?  Shake up the dri-users.
> Sounds like the Mach64 code hand grenade just got the pin put back in--
> how about a point beta?
> 
> Oh, and I have an nVidia Riva ZX that nVidia doesn't care to support.  Anyone
> want it?  Nice little 8M AGP card looking for a loving developer... ;)
> 
> Cheers,
> David
> 
I'd like to see some point releases as it sits now I just take a weekly
snapshot whenever I get the chance.  It would be nice to know if there is some
new feature just added that I should test, dri-devel gives me this.  As for
dri-users I like having them both.  I however can't see having both dri-users
and SFBT.

I can start answering questions posted to dri-users, should I also keep an eye
on the SFBT?

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