On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 08:34:46AM -0700, Jon Smirl wrote: > --- Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sul, 2004-06-13 at 03:07, Jon Smirl wrote: > > > Why not help getting mesa-solo working so that we can move to X on top of > > > OpenGL? > > > > For one, in the two years that is going to take to bear fruit, we need a > > working X server. Two because mesa-solo isnt supported on most of > > the Xorg platforms. > > The Microsoft Longhorn UI is going to trounce Linux on the desktop if we don't > get to work on a response. Getting mesa-solo running everywhere wouldn't take > two years if more people would pitch in and quit arguing. Right now we should > have a working xserver/mesa-solo this summer, even sooner if there was more > help. >
Forgive me if I am going to say something stupid here, as I am mostly watching from the side lines, but maybe someone will be nice enough to put me in place ;-) First of all it looks like linux is suffering from a bunch of different attempts at solving/implementing the desktop issue. The name I am aware of: Xfree vs. Xorg, the difference I know of is the licensing issue, don't know where else they differ. DirectFB and mesa-solo which it is not clear whether they are just similar, related, or neighbors. Then of course there is the frame buffer which seems to be the ideal base point since it allows all sorts of embedded devices to produce some graphics. Part of the problem seems to be that people are going all over the place, users don't really know what the options are and getting accelerated graphics seem to be more vodoo then science at the moment. The whole graphics thing need to be designed properly from the grounds up preferably using existing layers but defining the relationship properly and to somehow to get all the people from the different solutions working together and hopefully drastically reduce the bloatware that is currently known as X in the process. The problem is that it needs to support current programs with minimal changes on the one hand or people won't switch, and support high quality gui interfaces and 3D gaming which is what will pull people and as a result companies and then people again to linux. > I'm not sure if you mean platforms as in OS or platform as in cards, but > mesa-solo runs on the fbdev driver using software mesa. Between fbdev and the > accelerated drivers that covers all of the more common hardware. > > All of the pieces needed to get xserver running on mesa already exist; all we > need to do is pull everything together. xserver on GL is an architecture that > will be good for at least another ten years while the current XAA architecture > is close to the end of it's life. > > ===== > Jon Smirl > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. > >From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the > one installation-authoring solution that does it all. Learn more and > evaluate today! http://www.installshield.com/Dev2Dev/0504 > -- > _______________________________________________ > Dri-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. >From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the one installation-authoring solution that does it all. Learn more and evaluate today! http://www.installshield.com/Dev2Dev/0504 -- _______________________________________________ Dri-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
