W dniu 19 lipca 2009 12:22 użytkownik Harald Welte <haraldwe...@viatech.com> napisał: > Hi Rafal and others. > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 07:37:50PM +0200, Rafał Miłecki wrote: > >> > 4) VIA does not have the resources to write an entirely new 3D driver for >> > Chrome9, especially since future products contain a different, >> > incompatible >> > GPU. I think it's much more useful to focus the resources at getting >> > things >> > "right" for those future products. >> > >> > So, as you can see, the situation is far from being perfect. However, it >> > could >> > also be much worse. >> >> That's really poor explaination for lefting Chrome 9 users without 3D. >> Earlier GPUs have at least some basic 3D (no Compiz) that works with >> simple apps. >> >> I understand you can't just release current 3D driver but I also >> belive AMD just proved it's possible to write 3D driver in ~year. > > Do you understand that VIA is a _very very_ small company, if I'm guessing > probably 1% of the size of AMD? > > You might also have heard that in the current economic situation, many > companies have a complete halt to any new hiring, and have in fact had to let > go a lot of staff. > > I have no detailed insight into VIA's business, but as you can see from > publicly available information, i.e. http://www.legitreviews.com/news/6142/, > this is not really a situation where you have any room left to invest in > products > whose R&D has finished a long time ago.
I had no idea VIA is so small company. I thought even in global recession then still car hire that 5 ppl more. I was so sure of than, I didn't even try to Google for it. >> You've already DRM part done (it's written and tested!) so that makes >> your work much easier. Did you try to calculate how many ppl would you >> need to hire to write that driver? Did you consider cooperation with >> some distro developers like AMD tried with Novell? Maybe I'm too >> optimistic but r600 driver was written quite fast by only few ppl with >> quite nice effect visible already. > > Right now, it is my undetstanding that even projects like the ati r600 driver, > or the noveau driver are short of manpower. There are very few people in > the community who have a lot of experience writing Xorg device drivers. > Combine > that with the fact that VIA's IGP products are only a very small portion of > the overall market, there are not many users, both inndividual end users as > well as corporate users, who have a high motivation working on it. > > Especially if there are new products on the roadmap that have a different > architecture, and thus all work would probably not be possible. > > I am very much part of this community, and everyone who knows me knows how > much > I am a FOSS evangelist. I have never (and will never) use a proprietary > graphics > driver on my own systems. > > So I'm just providing my advice to VIA. And that advice clearly is to spend > those few R&D resources they have on proper FOSS drivers for upcoming > products, > rather on Chrome9 - which would then mean that we are stuck in the loop where > products are released without a proper FOSS driver, and we keep catching up > by working on FOSS much after the hardware hits the market. > > Sorry, I wish the world was different.. The main problem of VIA and community opinion about VIA is that they don't keep ppl informed. I've already pointed that on openchrome-devel ML... and got ignored :P With your explainations this makes much more sense. We can understand it's not that VIA ignores us, but they just can not afford writing new open driver. Did VIA consider cooperation with distributions? Maybe they could sponsor some single Mesa developers? What about The Linux Driver Project: http://linuxdriverproject.org/ ? Maybe they would like to cooperate? I'm looking for some solutions VIA could use without giving out a lot of money. -- Rafał Miłecki ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge -- _______________________________________________ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
