Jay Pipes wrote:
Jim Starkey wrote:
Everything else is added value and we're just arguing about where to
draw the line.
Yep. This is precisely what everyone is debating. I'm drawing the line
very conservatively -- i.e. in the core kernel, I'd like as little as
possible; only stuff that *everyone* uses or is 100% critical for
performance. Everything else, make it a plugin and see how many people
actually use it...
BTW, we're in 100% agreement on the cleanliness/usability of the APIs.
One of the things I really like about the software racket is that people
can agree 100% on basic principles and still come to radically different
conclusions -- and all without anyone being wrong.
That said, let me compare the drizzle version of conservative with the
Nimbus/Netfrastructure version. We both agree that extensibility is
critical and bloat is bad (everyone here in favor of bloat raise their
hand!). But your version on conservative includes the ability load
arbitrary C and C++ code that can break security, corrupt the database,
crash the server, who knows what. At the same time, even the most
laudable of plugin binaries is tied to a single platform. Moving the
plugin from server to server is a manual operation, and moving it to a
different platform is a manual *skilled* operation.
Nimbus/Netfrastructure triggers, stored procedures, user defined types
(if/when I get to them), and aggregating interfaces are Java. All run
in a sandbox, and all run in the same sandbox. None has database access
rights beyond those of the user who instantiated them. None have access
to server internals or other connections. No malformed extension can
even be loaded. And, wonder of wonders, they can be replicated around a
network of servers using the same mechanisms as data replication. One
mechanism, computationally sufficient, and secure.
Compared to this, doesn't drizzle look more like anarchy (as opposed to
Annarchy, which is rule by Ann, presumably a good thing)?
I don't expect to convince anyone, so if you'd like the last word, take
it, and I'll let it drop.
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