On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:24:07 -0200
Felipe Szczesny Rout <felipe.r...@al.rs.gov.br> wrote:

> Em Sex, 2009-12-11 às 16:01 +0100, Stevan Bajić escreveu:
> > Hallo all,
> 
> Hello Stevan
> 
Hallo Felipe,


> > 
> > some days ago Paul has posted on the developer mailing list asking for a 
> > possibility to delegate the management of certain users/domains to other 
> > users then administrator.
> > 
> > As usual I could not sit on my mouth and said that one could wrap the 
> > current Web UI to allow something like that.
> > 
> > We talked then about how to do that and and and...
> > 
> > ... to make the story short: The other day I have quickly wrapped the 
> > current DSPAM Web UI to use Dojo toolkit (http://www.dojotoolkit.org/) and 
> > to display the various pages inside a tabbed content layout. The initial 
> > hacking was done in 15 to 20 minutes. But then I took me more time to hack 
> > dspam.cgi/admin.cgi to be flexible enough for the new way of rendering the 
> > various pages.
> > 
> > I have included some screen shots so that you can see how it looks like. 
> > Basically it's the same Web UI as we currently have (with small code fixes 
> > that soon will appear in stock DSPAM as well) plus some additional 
> > functions (the one Paul needed/wanted) and a nice and sexy GUI with visual 
> > effects like one finds for example in Dojo Mail -> 
> > http://demos.dojotoolkit..org/demos/mail/ .
> > 
> > What is your opinion? Should we replace the current Web UI with something 
> > like that? It's more modern and the whole page rendering is slightly faster 
> > since the reading of the sub pages is done with AJAX and that is by nature 
> > asynchronous.
> > While that Web UI is usable with a DSPAM < 3.9.0 I am not going to jump 
> > through fire rings to include it in anything else then DSPAM 3.9.0.
> > 
> > I REALLY WANT 3.9.0 to get out this year! We are now almost hacking one 
> > year on the code base and still have not published 3.9.0.
> > 
> > So my question here: Who of you out there is already using 3.9.0 in 
> > production? And can you please take the 1 minute time it needs to quickly 
> > write here a feedback about 3.9.0 in your environment? PLEASE!
> 
> I'm using 3.9.0b4 in production.  It's working just fine, many times
> better than 3.8.0 that was running before. It's seems to have a greater
> stability, since it's running for 3 weeks without a core dump, it never
> happened before with 3.8.0.
>
That was one of my personal goals. I wanted DSPAM 3.9.0 to never crash 
uncontrolled.


> It has a greater accuracy too, I had issues
> because the size of mysql fields data type (things like int instead of
> longint) that was really annoying-me.
>
You can not imagine how much that disturbed me with the older DSPAM releases? 
In fact that was the main reason to rework the MySQL driver and then later the 
PostgreSQL driver. I personally will after 3.9.0 take time to make more 
enhancements to the PostgreSQL driver. I want the PostgreSQL driver to be using 
PostgreSQL functions where ever possible. Right now it's not taking full 
advantage of the features PostgreSQL offers. But the MySQL driver could use 
some advanced functions too. For example all this merging stuff done in 
dspam_merge can be done many times better by using a own made function in 
MySQL/PostgreSQL. I have done some testing with own written functions and the 
merging is by factors faster then when done record by record.


> It's better than 3.8.0 and it was
> a production version, 3.9.0 can be too.
> 
Right! That's my opinion as well. 3.9.0 does not need to hide behind 3.8.0 at 
all. It's much more stable and much more coherent then 3.8.0 or 3.6.8. 
Regarding speed: I know that 3.9.0 is faster then any older DSPAM version. 
While I love a faster DSPAM I still believe that speed is useless if the 
stability/functionallity is suffering. For me stability and predictability is 
number one and then all other things and then speed. I run a gazillion of 
domains and if stability is bad then I don't care much about the speed. I first 
need that thing to be stable. Rock stable. No memory leaks and no crashes.

I am happy that things work better for you. I would be surprised if you would 
have written that 3.9.0 is worse then 3.8.0. I eat my own dog food and any 
thing unstable would never be accepted by my self. :)



 
> 
> > 
> > If no one has anything to say against the current 3.9.0 then I am going to 
> > push as much as I can to get 3.9.0 out as soon as possible. Does any one 
> > here have an objection against 3.9.0 or any reason that we should know why 
> > we should not release 3.9.0?
> > 
> > As a plus point I promise to either replace the current Web UI with 
> > something more modern or at least include that small hack I have done for 
> > Paul in the contribution directory.
> > 
> > 

-- 
Kind Regards from Switzerland,

Stevan Bajić

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