K4QST wrote:

In my admittedly limited circle of ham friends, I don't know of a soul
who isn't using a store-bought 2m/70cm transceiver; I suppose that
makes all of us appliance operators. This "limitation" doesn't concern me.

Ahhh ... an honest man.  We hear this "complaint" all of the time.  It 
is extremely rare that someone would build, form "scratch," a monoband 
VHF-FM transceiver, let alone a dual band version. But even for those 
who persist in this "myth" of you can't build it yourself, please see 
http://www.moetronix.com/dstar/  (I saw this thing in operation at 
Dayton 2007.)

What _does_ concern me:

a) cost for users($900 for a dual-band, dual-receive D-Star 2820? c'mon!)

It's rich for some folks budget, no doubt, but you have to consider a 
few things. 

    * This unit also includes a GPS, a remotable head, digital
      interfaces, etc. 
    * It is not a vanilla dual band analog FM transceiver.  If you don't
      like the price, don't buy it, or prevail upon JVC (Kenwood),
      Motorola (Yaesu), Alinco, Ten-Tec, or others to builder and to
      offer a competing model, or be real adventurous and design, build,
      certify, and sell one yourself.
    * Put it in the context of time and its really cheap. I purchased
      new, about 28 years ago, for around $300  a single band, single
      channel (no PL), 2 meter handheld that put out about a watt or two
      (Icom IC-2AT) -- in today's dollars thats $1006.67 ( see
      http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl ) I'd love to drive a new
      Mercedes for around $5000, but it isn't going to happen, things
      cost what they cost, we just have to decide their value and if we
      can spare the money. (Fortunately, my family bought me a 2820 as a
      birthday present this year.)


b) cost for repeater equipment (The small clubs in this area would
find the hardware to be impossibly expensive)

What some clubs have discovered is "fund raising," approaching 
community, governmental, and other organizations for donations to 
enhance the local emergency preparedness or set up a special fund and 
solicit funds.

If you were going for new repeater equipment from JVC or Motorola  you 
would find it costs about the same or more (especially if you want 
digital).  Of course you can build a repeater that will pass D-STAR from 
30 year old commercial gear, but currently you give up the bells and 
whistles (like the gateway) -- just get a good discriminator tap and run 
it directly to the modulator (you may have to do some conditioning of 
the signal).

c) coverage (I live in a rural area, as do all of my ham friends)

That isn't coverage, D-STAR coverage is similar to any other FM signal, 
though it has better intelligibility as the signal goes down to a 
threshold.  You are referring to penetration, D-STAR has not penetrated 
as far into rural areas as you would like -- you and your friends can 
solve that.

d) Only one brand of radio to choose from (the marketing/technical
reasons don't matter to me- bottom line is only one brand of radio to
choose from)

Contact the other vendors and tell them to get over their egos and 
provide a D-STAR product or loose sales to Icom (which they are).  I 
assume you don't buy postage and mail things, because you can only do 
that through a single vendor?

On it's face, D-Star is a great thing. I do know all of the advantages
and think they are fantastic. Unfortunately, unless you live in a
reasonably urban area with a good density of affluent users, good
D-Star coverage will be a long time coming.

Earlier this week I was gung-ho for getting a D-star radio. It just
took me a few days to analyze the disadvantages and to realize that an
analog APRS radio would be a much better choice for me.

Are you only going to beacon your position?  On D-STAR you can talk and 
send your position at the same time on analog you get to switch back and 
forth between the two.  APRS alone may be the best for you, since you 
don't have a D-PRS enabled repeater/gateway in the area, but the future 
looking approach would be to buy the D-STAR radio and run APRS (analog) 
on it until the repeater comes - D-STAR radios run Analog but withour 
major hacking an analog radio isn't easily adapted to D-STAR (or go the 
expensive route and get a D-STAR upgradeable radio, though its cheaper 
to buy it with D-STAR to begin with...)

John D. Hays
Amateur Radio Station K7VE <http://k7ve.ampr.org>
PO Box 1223
Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
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