This is a misunderstanding of terms. 97.3 (a)(1) Amateur operator. A person named in an amateur operator/ primary license station grant on the ULS consolidated licensee database to be the control operator of an amateur station.
97.3 (a) (5) Amateur station. A station in an amateur radio service consisting of the apparatus necessary for carrying on radiocommunications. 97.3 (a) (6) Automatic control. The use of devices and procedures for control of a station when it is transmitting so that compliance with the FCC Rules is achieved without the control operator being present at a control point. 97.3 (a) (13) Control operator. An amateur operator designated by the licensee of a station to be responsible for the transmissions from that station to assure compliance with the FCC Rules. The "STATION" is the apparatus and a station may have more than one operator. Taking all of these rules into account, any "control operator" can ID the "station" -- it does not require the owner to be the operator performing the identification to be compliant with the rules. Most repeaters operate under "automatic control" -- but when not under automatic control, a control operator may identify the station. It's pretty clear in my mind. Though on the same physical piece of paper, an FCC license for an operator declares their "Operator Privileges" (class of license) and the callsign of their primary station, but they are separate items. This can be demonstrated by looking at a club license, which has no "Operator Privileges" (see: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/printAuth_amateur.jsp?licKey=780866 ) vs. an individual licensee. This is a widespread misconception, the operator is not KX1XYZ, the station is KX7XYZ -- the operator is "Fred Smith" who has Novice class privileges. This is why if I use my wife's radio I can identify with the callsign associated with her station license and talk to her as she uses another radio that is part of her station also using the same callsign - a little confusing to the listener but fully legal, unless I am using my license privileges, that she does not share (I'm an Amateur Extra, she's a Technician), in which case rule 97.119 (e) comes into play. Similarly, if I am using Nate's radio, I should ID as WXOY (not K7VE), unless he has loaned his station apparatus (radio) to me, at which time it becomes part of my station, K7VE, and I would identify the station as K7VE. Consequently, if he loaned me his repeater I could identify it using the K7VE callsign (as it would be part of my station), but if I was using the repeater as part of his station, I could be the control operator and ID the repeater as WX0Y. On Jun 11, 2009, at 12:23 AM, Nate Duehr wrote: > > > > On Jun 10, 2009, at 9:20 PM, George Henry wrote: > > A repeater is an amateur STATION. Therefore, the only amateur > > STATIONS that > > can legally ID a repeater are the repeater itself, or the repeater > > licensee. > > So while you could legally ID for your own repeater, there is > > nothing in the > > wording of 97.119 that can be construed to allow any amateur station > > to > > transmit station identification for any OTHER amateur station. > > > Fair enough George, good info. I can think of at least three ways > around it, the easiest way around it is to make everyone authorized to > use a repeater a co-owner. GRIN... > > The original topic was whether or not the callsign ID's inside the D- > STAR data protocol are necessary/required, and I still say "no" on > that one. Voice is fine. My side point was that a repeater doesn't > even have to have an automated ID. > > Lawyers will argue the wording into something so twisted that they'll > have jobs forever, since that's what they're paid to do... fiscal > incentives are often root-causes to all sorts of things. > > No one who has a transmitter that's ID'ed in any method with a legal > callsign is ever going to have to worry about the above corner-case. > It was just a wild example, attempting to point out the obvious... > voice or data ID -- doesn't matter which... only one is required. > > -- > Nate Duehr, WY0X > [email protected] > > John Hays Amateur Radio: K7VE [email protected] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
