Hi David, Just to clarify, I am not in this situation (and never hope to be!), but I do know of hams that have had to go down that route, I also know some that have circumvented the 'rules', even for HF, with kind permission of the maintenance guy saying "Its to do with the telephone system" or something similar.
Rights being taken away? Didn't think we had any left over here, only to do as we're told....Hi hi. As I am ex-NHS (National Health Service) I'll reply off group a bit more about that when I get back tonight. (We couldn't live without it, not that we know any different, just like all the immigrants that keep coming over to get sorted out healthwise and fleese the system.) 73 Neil. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Holman To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys Neil, Landlords are a whole different story, since you don't own the property. In your case, a dongle might be the only way to get out, but don't count on it in an emergency. That is all I am saying. You might have a connection, you might not. With a radio, you at least have simplex when all else fails. So you can't use an HT?? I didn't realize that is was that bad in the UK. Allow me to apologize to you. I didn't understand. Thanks for explaining that. I also didn't think you had private hospitals over there. They are trying to force socialized medicine down our throats in the US. The proponents keep saying that England has socialized medicine. Everything is free and it works..... I guess it is good to talk to the users of the system periodically. Perhaps, outside of the group, you could tell me more about the socialized medicine system you have. Start putting the bug in your neighbor's ears that it is NOT Ok, acceptable or anything to have your individual rights taken away. Maybe if they think about it, they can start a movement to fix it. I hope that you can get back on the air. It sounds like some extreme conditions to come back from. Hope your health returns too. Good luck with that. 73 David, AC7DS --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Neil <[email protected]> wrote: From: Neil <[email protected]> Subject: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:29 PM Hi David, I get your point, but those hospitalised or in care homes are lucky to have the internet at all. I hope myself or others on this group do not become part of this group. Over here (in the UK), we have landlords that refuse all sorts of things, from anything that penatrates the walls (eg. drawing pins) to putting anything at all on the outside of their buildings. I know people that have 'installed' wallpaper with bluetac to circumvent their rediculous 'laws'. A TV/VHF/DAB antenna is usually supplied from a communual array on the roof, that's all they get. Sattelite dishes are frowned upon, even cable is banned! OK, I hear you say 'Move!' but when you've just been released from a private hospital and had your property sold to pay for the care you had, its not that simple. (It can cost the same as a mortgage a month to have private care a week over here, so do the math.) If I want a dropped kerb for my car in my newly modified garden to go over the sidewalk, I HAVE to use a pre ellected contractor, otherwise I get prosocuted if found doing it myself or with a non approved contractor. And boy, do they charge through the nose for it. As I said before, I hope I am either not in this country, or don't have to endure the rules if it comes to that. After all, we are British and everyone seems to just take the flac without question over here. Probably accounts for the resultant loss of freedom and rights we have left. (If any!) Sorry for the rant, but the truth is the truth, I feel pity on those that have to live under such a regime. Thank god for the internet, we would loose quite a few individuals 'on the air' via it otherwise that some enjoy talking to. 73 de Neil G7EBY. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Holman To: dstar_digital@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy Neil, The dongle is a good opportunity for those that have no choice, but is still no substitute for a real radio. I know, DStar isn't everywhere, YET. :-D The part of your message that bothers me is: "Given that some have restrictions on antenna's and planning regs I suppose we could make exceptions.. .." Why should we have to make exceptions?? Why should we have to accept this as a part of our lives?? WE (all the people of the world) need to start putting an end to or fighting back against anything that oppresses or takes away individual rights and freedoms. What gives them the right to say we can't have an antenna. There is a brainwashing effort out there, and it is huge and very quiet, that it is OK, acceptable and normal to surrender your individual rights and freedoms to someone else: HOAs, zoning boards, local governments, schools and others. This is wrong. Dead Wrong!!!!! We are loosing more and more individual rights and freedoms everyday. And WE need to stand up and fight this. Unfortunately they are very entrenched. This doesn't mean to start a revolt (which probably won't go well). It means to get involved with these organizations to help them govern the interactions between people and not the step on individual rights and freedoms. They should not be able to tell you that you can't have an antenna (that would be an individual freedom). They can tell you that you have to work to solve interference (the interaction) . Or that you can't have an antenna over a certain height because it might fall on your neighbor's property (Safety issue). Other than that, they have no right to tell you that you can't have an antenna or flag of a cockroach or whatever. Have a great day, David, AC7DS --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Neil <barrym...@ntlworld. com> wrote: From: Neil barrym...@ntlworld. com [Snip]
