"Mark A. Kippert" wrote: > > >> This thing is officaly a "Bad Idea". It is the most insane concept in > >> computer science after Micro$oft Window$. For starters, lets look at > >> what OSX is in reality. It is simply A BSD Unix kernel and shell, with a > >> X frontend...From what I've heard, it sounds like os > >> 9 is being run in the background to keep compatibility with MacOS > >> software... > > > > Ugh. This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Of course, with a > > minimum memory requirement of 128 megs (double OS 9's, right?) this does > > certainly sound like a plausible scenario, especially given how frugal other > > Unix/frontend combinations are with the memory. > > A Duo list is seems a dumb place to rant. > > I just finished reading an OSX article in MacWorld which made a good point. > Apple released the OSX "BETA" to anyone who wants it so they can get > feedback from the people who really use the Mac. The power-users. Who else > could run it through the ringer and show no mercy. Who else would be that > brave. > > Have you told Apple what you think? They set up an area on their site just > for this. I doubt they'll be looking in this list for our feedback. > > I've been using the Mac since 1989 and consider myself a power user. Frankly > I don't have time to worry about all the underpinnings of the OS as long as > it works right. I would use Windows...if...they...had...(uunnggh, sorry, I > just felt a little faint after saying that) done it right. > > I want a powerful, stable, dependable machine and I don't much care what's > at the heart of the OS as long as it provides what I need. Having helped > many Mac owner/users over the years with training, troubleshooting and > consulting I feel it's safe to say that over 90% of those users wont even > realize (or care) what's under the hood as long as it gets them where > they're going. And if it breaks down less, they'll be even more happy with > their Mac. > > >> From what I've heard, it sounds like os > >> 9 is being run in the background to keep compatibility with MacOS > > Duh. It's a beta. It's a beta. It's a beta so users still need to use their > applications and such. With OSX BETA installed you are not left in the > lurch. You can actually switch between OS9 & OSX without restarting! So you > can still "BETA TEST" and get on with real life needs. Since there are no > OSX compatible applications available there has to be some way to run your > classic applications. > > Hence the need for large amounts of RAM. It takes a lot to BETA TEST one > operating system while still being able to have your original OS9 available. > This is why OSX beta, BETA (did I mention beta) requires 128MB RAM. > > Frankly, after I read the article on OSX B-E-T-A I was amazed at how great > an effort Apple went to make this as painless as possible for a BETA test. > When you install it your OS( is still completely intact. > > >> It is simply A BSD Unix kernel and shell, > > What the hell is that? Don't tell me. I don't care. Will it make my Mac > better once it is out of BETA? I hope so. I hear Unix is supposed to be a > wonderfully stable OS. If that's the case, it can only serve to make the Mac > better. IMHO! > > I do have to commend you though, Carpman, on being brave enough to BETA test > OSX. I just hope rants will be turned into objective feedback that Apple > will listen to. > > -makmac > -- > Mark A. Kippert > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/bin/Flame_Retardant_Pants & Take back the comendation, I only have a 68k mac. I cannot run OSX, ever. And the problem is, that on the duo series, ppc or 68k no one can. Everything below a G3 need not apply. You probably should at least know this about BSD. It can run happily on a 68k. Why does OSX require a G3 if it uses the same core? I am first and foremost a systems programmer. What Apple has done makes me want to puke. B-E-T-A as you put it, is a near stable release, meaning that only minor changes are expected before a full release. Removing OS9 and putting in some other form of compatibility would be a MASSIVE undertaking. We can deduce that OSX-GM will have the same reqs as the beta. I would point all of this out to apple, if I could run OSX, but since I run Linux on an Intel x86 as my primary machine, and my Duo PB 280c is not enough to run OSX, I dont believe that I had a right to make reports to Apple about it. 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