>My paranoia is *not* invented.  As an ex-Apple employee I can tell you 
>that Apple
>takes their internal service manuals *very* seriously.

>The links posted are stolen "backdoor" links that some people host 
>to point
>you at the manuals.  People like Gamba and Mike F. (Traffictrak.com) have 
>been busted
>for posting these links.  This is no joke.

>-- Kyle H. Hansen

>Besides, *nothing* can be hidden from humans that is visible to 
>webcrawling robots. You never need to ask on this or any list when 5 
>seconds on google.com will find you everything you would ever need or 
>want.
>--chuck goolsbee


Chuck, the ANS king,

I must agree with Kyle. I indeed did get a nasty letter from Apple's 
lawyers. The manuals constantly were moving around, sometimes getting 
passworded and -currently- put on a FTP server with no directory. To save 
people from the trouble of finding them, I downloaded them ALL from Apple 
public servers and placed them on my server to download. After a while I 
got a letters from Apple and their lawyers to cease and desist (sounds 
redundant).

Before the year 2000, the manuals did not even carry a copyright notice 
which is why I thought it would be OK to post them. Even now some of the 
new stuff carries no copyright. Was there no copyright notice because 
Apple considered these manuals trade secrets? In that case, why did Apple 
post them to so many ananoymous servers? It just makes no sense.

So if you find the manuals QUIETLY download them and carefully archive 
them. They are precious jewels that may not be available in the future.

As far as google finding the manuals, Apple has set up their FTP servers 
so they do not provide a directory listing so the robots can't find them.

The manuals at one time were on Apple PUBLIC http servers. You could 
search for and download them along with the user's manuals. Then one day 
Apple substituted a little HTML stub for the manuals and that was the end 
of that.

The manual server is still listed on Apple's site map but appears to be 
dead:
http://www.info.apple.com/manuals/manuals.taf

Mike

P.S. Kyle, nice to see you on this list.

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