Forwarded at the request of John N7TK.......
The thrust of my message was that who are we to prejudge anyone BEFORE
and operation takes place? We cannot and should not compare this
operation to any previous ones. Let us wait till the operation takes
place, and await the decision of ARRL as to whether the documentation
submitted is sufficient for their requirements. No body is forced to
approach the ARRL BEFORE an operation to seek accrediation. If I were
lucky enough to get the opportunity to go to Yemen, I would tell NOBODY
and just start operating. Then worry about the accreditation when I
got home. We are fortunate to live in countires which give out nice
printed documents with the name LICENSE at the top. There are a lot of
countries out there which don't, so we have to live with that and
examine any written documentation upon return. Some places, you just
go to the local post office, pay your money and select your own
call-sign....they give you a piece of paper which says at the top - License.
Tom
GM4FDM
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:42:43 +0000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I will answer this and hope to answer other comments and questions, as I
am the one who started this thread. The pursuit of the "Top of the DXCC
List" involves 1/2 or better of one's life, many thousands of hours,
and many thousands of $. When you see 2 recent operations in 7O fail to
get DXCC certification, I think we all have a right to know why that
happened. I started all of this with an open letter on DXCAT to Bill
Moore because I assumed I was not the only one wondering why so many 7O
operations fail to get DXCC acceptance. I was hoping that the 7O/G4HCL
operation would not just end up being another one of these.
I have no issues with Bill and he has always answered every question I
have ever asked him in a courteous and thorough manner. Bill answered
my email in the same manner and allowed me to publish it to the DXCHAT
list as long as it wasn't edited which is what I did. I also have no
issues with G4HCL and applaud his willingness to haul gear with him and
activate a station during a business trip.
A 7O operation of any kind is going to get a lot of attention as most of
us need it. Bill told me (and the rest of us) that the DXCC requirements
for accreditation of operating at any entity are published for everyone
to read. That being the case, one has to assume that G4HCL has read this
and knows what is required. He says he has permission to operate in a
"supervised" manner, whatever that means. Whether he is able to get the
paperwork required to get DXCC certification remains to be seen. I would
bet that he also knows why the 7O1YGF and 7O1A operations failed to get
certified and will try to not repeat those mistakes.
There is no requirement for G4HCL to contact DXCC prior to an operation,
and apparently he did not. Bill said he tried to contact him via email
and failed to get an answer back. Nothing should be read into that
either. It tells me that Bill is trying to help the operation be a
success. I wish G4HCL luck in his travels and radio operations, and hope
that it ends up getting DXCC certification (assuming he will apply for
it). Sounds like he intends to do so.
Considering the sacrifices and time we put into this pursuit, I think we
all have a right to want to know why the previous operations did not get
certified, want to know why that happened, and want to understand the
DXCC system well enough to know how the rules are established and what
is required to get certifed. That is all I was trying to do, and made it
an open request to benefit others who might have the same questions.
There are many of us, and I have no regrets for having done this. For
anything like this, there will be many pro and con positions and we have
seen a few of these posted. That is what is healthy about open
discussions like this as we all learn something from it.
I am a little unhappy that I have cards from both 7O1A and 7O1YGF that I
expected to get DXCC credit for, and that didn't happen. I don't know
who to blame that on. It is probably not DXCC's fault, but then you can
get into the argument about how flexible the system should be in these
situations. In a country like Yemen, I am sure you don't just get
through customs and set up an operate a radio station without some kind
of permission. Let's hope this one ends up getting DXCC certification.
Whether I cancel my vacation plans or not has nothing to do with this.
That is my personal choice, and I likely will be there with the rest of
you chasing a contact with G4HCL in the log.
Sincerely
John Owens - N7TK
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Tom Wylie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Why don't you all just get off the guy's case. Yemen is a difficult
> place well know that. We also know you can't just step off a plane
> with ham radio gear and start transmitting or you land in jail or
worse.
>
> Why don't you just work the guy or don't work the guy - your choice,
> then wait and see what happens. Who can tell what document(s) he
might
> or might not have. Primarily he is a businessman going there on
> business, and will try to get some ham radio in when he has the
time.
> If you are so convinced without even knowing the guy, or the facts,
> that the operation won't count - then - just go on vacation! What
> business is it of yours to be writing to ARRL BEFORE an
> operation............
>
> Tom
>
> GM4FDM
>
>
>
>
> Dave AA6YQ wrote:
> > Unless Bill has reviewed and pre-approved the documentation for
this
> > operation, his only reasonable response is "I don't know; you
decide."
> >
> > If he says "I doubt it will count", and you go on vacation, and
G4HCL
> > later sends documentation that Bill approves, then his face is
on your
> > dartboard.
> >
> > If he says "It might count", and you cancel your vacation, and you
> > spend hours in your shack to work G4HCL/7O, and G4HCL later sends
> > documentation that Bill rejects, then his face is on your
dartboard.
> >
> > 7O is the last one I need. There's no question about where I'll be
> > come Monday UTC...
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Dave, AA6YQ
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *To:* Bill (ARRL DXCC) Moore
> > *Cc:* DX Chat
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2007 6:48 PM
> > *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] 7O
> >
> > Bill:
> >
> > I am writing this as an open email to you in hopes that you will
> > respond to my questions for my benefit, and also for others that
> > partake in DXCC. The following article appeared in the DXis
website:
> >
> > Chris Lorek, G4HCL, has authorized me to inform everyone that he
> > plans to be active from Sana, Yemen, once again as 7O/G4HCL from
> > Monday 13 August until early on Wednesday 15 August. Chris has
> > written permission and official authority to operate on all HF
> > amateur bands under supervise d conditions, but warns that it may
> > or may not be possible to obtain the specific documentation that
> > satisfies DXCC requirements. WFWL!
> > This is NOT A DXpedition but a business trip, and operation will
> > therefore only be when possible and is only likely to be for short
> > periods at a time. Chris will be using 1kW to a professional
> > biconical monopole communications antenna. Activity will be SSB
> > only, and probably only on 20m (look between 14170 and 14260kHz).
> > QSL information for this operation is direct only to G4HCL,PO Box
> > 400, Eastleigh SO53 4ZF, UK.
> >
> > This begs the obvious questions given the recent 7O operations
> > (7O1YGF AND 7O1A) that have happened and not approved by DXCC:
> >
> > 1. Have you had any contact with Chris regarding who the proper
> > authority is and what paperwork is necessa ry for it to get DXCC
> > approval? Would you let us know who the recognized authority is
> > there and what paperwork is required from them. I ask this
> > question because it keeps coming up in discussions about past and
> > future operation from 7O. If he hasn't contacted you, are you
> > going to try and contact him to advise him on what is required to
> > get approval of his op from DXCC.
> >
> > 2. Do you feel there is a possibility of this becoming a DXCC
> > approved operation? Is it worth canceling my current vacation
> > plans to try and make a contact and get a card confirming it?
> >
> > 3. Since it is not a Dxpedition and since he will only be
> > operating during his available time, it means extensive time
> > commitment on our parts to try and be there when he activates.
> > That pretty much ties up 3 days to do that. W hen he is on, there
> > will be huge pileups with the slimmer chances of getting through
> > .Is it worth going through all of that if it is unlikely to ever
> > get DXCC approval? Sharing you opinion on this will hopefully
> > gives us a better feel for whether it is worth the effort and
> > sacrifices to get in the log. I don't need any more wallpaper of
> > worthless QSL cards from 7O.
> >
> > Sincerely
> > John Owens - N7TK
> >
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