John,

If you want the group you added (by changing the group number in Preferences) 
to show up in Edit Group Names, you must add it, by doing Filter, Group Names, 
Add.  You can change the name at this point also, but note that after you 
change the name, you must click on Change.  Once you have done that, you can 
add that group to a Selection by going to the selection you want to add it to, 
finding the new group number, double-clicking on the new group number (this 
will add an "x" to the left of the group number) and then clicking Update.

In my opinion, the use of Selections, in addition to the group numbering, is an 
extremely powerful tool within DX4Win, allowing you to separate QSOs from 
various locations easily.  Personally, I think Arne's log groupings would be 
accomplished much better by using Selections - this would allow further 
separation (e.g. for contests) within each Selection.  But it is all personal 
preference...

73, Bud  N7CW

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Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:17 PM
To: John Shaw
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Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Group question



John 



I have GROUPS 0, 1, 2, and 3defined. 



If I search for any of the 4 groups by group number I get only those QSOs for 
that group.  When I total the number of QSOs I selected in FILTER (group)  of 
the 4 groups I get the total number of QSOs in my log. That tells me the filter 
function by groups is working properly. 



Not sure what you mean by illogical fashion.  I defined my needs for groups and 
the log does sort (filter)  by those "needs", in  otherwords, "my groups". 



I have my entire log for N7KA going back to June 1978 is entered into DX4WIN.  
Group 0 identiined as all QSOs prior to 01 JAN1983 (the date that VUCC 
started).  I lived in Tucson, AZ in 01 JAN 1983 so have defined Group 1 by the 
6 digit grid square I was living and operating from.  Group 2 is defined by my 
current 6 digit grid square beginning 24 FEB, 1985.  Group 3 is defined as the 
grid square I operated portable on 6M Sunday 20 June 2010.  They all sort 
properly when I select FILTER and enter the group number. 



At start-up my correct group 2 is displayed in the QSO WINDOW GROUP box.  (that 
is what I have set as default)  If I change and SAVE the group number in the 
FILE|PREFERENCES|QSO group box, this becomes the group number displayed in the 
QSO WINDOW upon starting the program.  You MUST do QSO|Real-time after the 
program is booted to set the program to begin logging for the day, otherwise 
you get data from the last QSO entered in your log.  BTW all 4 of my groups do 
come up at start if I have defined a group as the default. 



l also keep my group number and description written on paper and  stored in my 
manual as backup; group number description, date range, and any other info I 
determine is relevant. 



73 de Arne N7KA 




----- "John Shaw" <[email protected]> wrote: 
> Using version 8.04. 
> When I set the group to "0" in the preferences and then go to real time 
> entry the group is "0" so I cant reproduce your result for that one. 
> If I set the group in preferences to a group not previously set up and go to 
> real time entry it does come up as the group set and will log it as such. 
> As a consequence after that if I go to "Filter|Edit Group Names" the new 
> group generated this way does not show up in the list  and am not being able 
> to use Filter|Select to find that QSO, it can be searched for by using F8. 
> Since F8 search can be used it can be set to another group using 
> QSO|Multiple QSO Operations. 
> So other than being able to do something in an illogical fashion it would 
> seem to be function ok.  If I want to have a new group of QSO's I have 
> always generated the new group by using the Filter|Edit Group Names function 
> before logging or importing a QSO to that group in my log. 
> As a aside note I don't log any QSO's to group "0", start from group 1 then 
> you will be able to do a group filter search for any and or all QSO's in the 
> log. "0" is a group of everything, including itself, a group of all groups 
> if you like. 
> 73 John ZL1BYZ.
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