Jack I went round and route with ICOM USA in California about the ICOM 756 series and then also with the same manager who was at the Dayton Hamvention. My conclusion was that he was also frustrated and himself couldn't get answers from Japan himself.
I also posted my complaints about the ICOM 756 interface in a number of reflectors. I didn't think about e-Ham however, and maybe there is a similar posting forum at QRZ. So you have given me an idea. My prediction..new rigs will be introduced with drop the serial interface completely and replace it with USB 2.0. It will be a lot better, but now your work will start over again. Ron N5IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Phil ON4VP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>; "Brendan Minish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [DXBase] Kenwood TS-2000 users. > Thanks for the info Brendan. Tony is also experimenting with a modification > to the radios.ini file that so far seems to work fine for setting the mode > of VFOb, but he is not finished testing it. > > I'm curious about something: > > Is there anyone who has written to any of the makers of radios to complain > to them about their lack of maintaining a standard RS232 interface set of > commands, sequence, and structure? If so, what response did you get? > > Has anyone complained to them about the constant changing of the RS232 > interface for no good reason except change itself, whenever a new radio is > introduced? If so, what response did you get? > > Has anyone complained to the makers of radios that you are tired of having > to obtain software changes to the programs that you use every time you > decide to purchase one of these new radios only to find that the RS232 > interface is different than how it was in previous radios? > > Does anyone plan to write a letter of complaint to the makers of radios > about this topic? If not, why? > > Do you think that it is the obligation of the makers of software to > constantly modify their code each time a new radio comes out that requires a > different RS232 interface? If so, are you willing to pay for this service? > How much, $30, $50? > > Have you ever posted a review for any of these radios such as on eHam and > mentioned a complaint about the fact that this new radio might be the > greatest thing since sliced bread, but it has a deficient RS232 interface > and therefore you don't recommend it for others? > > I'd prefer not to clutter up the reflector with this topic but would like to > know your opinions at least in direct email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Imagine if every time a new automobile was introduced, the roads had to be > modified in order for you to drive it. Imagine if every time you purchased > a new electrical appliance, you had to call an electrician to modify your > wall plugs. Imagine if everytime you purchased a television set, you had to > call your cable or satellite provider to change their signal in order for > you to receive the TV stations? In our humble opinion, the problems that we > constantly hear about involving all software, not just ours, could be easily > eliminated if the ham community would be a vocal about complaining to the > source of the problem as they are in making demands of the software > companies to "do whatever" to make their new radio work. All it would take > is for hams to notify the makers of radios that they will no longer consider > purchasing a new radio unless the RS232 interface is consistent with > previous radios. If it isn't, then they will choose a radio that is from > some other manufacturer. > > Anyway, so much for our soapbox. It's clear to us that this constant > vicious cycle has simply got to change. It can be fixed at the source if > folks make this an issue to the makers of radios. All it takes is five > minutes to type a short and sweet letter and mail it. Or, we can deal with > it in software and charge a fee for the work that is required to support the > changes that come about all because makers of radios will not implement any > consistency in their products. > > We, along with many other makers of software have already complained to > these manufacturers but our cry has fallen on deaf ears. Probably we only > represent a few potential sales to them. But, if the general ham population > voiced this issue, your collective purchasing power may just open those deaf > ears. > > Cheers, > Jack > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brendan Minish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Phil ON4VP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: [DXBase] Kenwood TS-2000 users. > > > > I may have the answer to this one. > > > > DXB 2003 sends the mode before the frequency when setting the radio, in > > some radios (like the elecraft k2 which uses the kenwood command set) that > > remember last used mode on a per band basis, this will on occasion cause > > the wrong mode to be set because the software sets the VFO mode on the > band > > it is just LEAVING (hence the U in CW) and tunes to the new band with > > whatever mode was last used on that band. > > > > Some radios apparently need the commands sent in this order so it's not > > really a bug. > > > > The fix is easy, you simply have to include the mode set command at the > end > > of the frequency set line and set the mode set command to Null, the mode > > set command is never sent to the radio without also setting the frequency > > so including the mode set Command in the VFO set line won't break > anything. > > > > Here is an extract from my file for the Elecraft K2 It may need some > > modifying for the TS2000 but hopefully you get the idea. > > showing how I have configured the radios.ini file to make it work > correctly > > with the K2 > > > > > > SelectVFOA= eoc(100) asc( "FR0;" ) eoc(0) > > SetVFOA= asc( "FA" ) dec( %vfoa,11 ) asc( ";" ) asc("MD") dec( %mode,1) > asc > > ( ";" ) eoc(0) > > GetVFOA= asc("FA;") rrs(14) eoc(0) > > PrsVFOA= asc("FA") dec(%vfoa,11) asc(";") eoc(0) > > > > SelectVFOB= eoc(0) > > SetVFOB= asc( "FB" ) dec( %vfob,11 ) asc( ";" ) eoc(0) > > GetVFOB= asc("FB;") rrs(14) eoc(0) > > PrsVFOB= asc("FB") dec(%vfob,11) asc(";") eoc(0) > > > > SetMode= eoc(0) > > GetMode= asc( "IF;" ) rrs(38) eoc(0) > > PrsMode= asc("IF") dec(%dummy,27) dec(%mode,1) dec(%dummy,7) asc(";") > eoc(0) > > > > I have put the entire K2 file at the very bottom of this e-mail for > > reference, NOTE there are no line breaks in the middle of lines. > > The K2 runs very happily here with pacing set to 1 and EOC(0) which makes > > for very fast responses to commands, Perhaps the ts200 can use similar > fast > > timings as it sure speeds things up. > > > > The eoc(100) in the first line > > SelectVFOA= eoc(100) asc( "FR0;" ) eoc(0) > > cures a 'radio not responding ' problem that crops up sometimes under > win2k > > on my machines. > > > > > > 73 > > Brendan EI6IZ > > > > At 07:31 22/12/2002 +0100, Phil ON4VP wrote: > > >same here Tony, also having the two 'U's sent but mode not changed. > > >here intel PIII/1000, 512 Mb, XP pro, radio on com 2 > > > > > >Phil ON4VP > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Tony Cash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "Al Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 6:07 AM > > >Subject: Re: [DXBase] Kenwood TS-2000 users. > > > > > > > > > > I just tried your exact spot and baud between computer and the radio > > > > and it DOES NOT work here. VFO B mode never changes. The radio > > > > sends a U twice just like it should when changing both VFO's to USB > > > > but VFO B does not change. I agree with Clark, This may be a problem > > > > in the particular "order" in which the commands are sent. > > > > My setup is as follows > > > > Intel pentium IV 2.4 GHz. > > > > 512 meg. memory > > > > Radio on Com 1 > > > > Operating system is XP Home > > > > > > > > 73 de Tony, KD4K > > > > > > > > My Weather Page > > > > http://home.adelphia.net/~tonycash/ > > > > My Ham Radio Page > > > > http://home.adelphia.net/~tonycash/kd4k/radio.html > > > > Sawnee Mountain (WB4GQX 147.15 +.600) Repeater Page > > > > http://home.adelphia.net/~tonycash/sawnee/index.html > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Al Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:49 AM > > > > Subject: [DXBase] Kenwood TS-2000 users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I noticed some users are having problems with DXBase 2003 and the > > > > > Kenwood TS-2000. I decided to try using a spot which incorporated > > > > > both VFO's and this is the spot I used. > > > > > > > > > > VE3WQ 28496.7 TI9JJP qsx 28501 Cocos Is 1411 19 > Dec > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once I clicked on it both VFO's responded as they are supposed to. > In > > > > > VFOa I had 28496.7 USB and VFOb I had 28501.0 USB which is exactly > > > > > as it is supposed to do. Prior to the spot I had 50125.0 in VFOa and > in > > > > > VFOb I had 432.100 FM. > > > > > > > > > > I am using a Lavaport serial board and COM:3 with settings of 4800 > baud > > > > > No parity, 8 bits and 2 stop bits. I have also went into my Kenwood > > >TS2000 > > > > > and set the baud rate using Menu Number 56 to 4800 baud. > > > > > > > > > > My operating system is Windows 98SE and the PC is a Gigabyte > GA-8HIXP > > > > > and Intel Pentium IV at 2.4 gig. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps others clear this up but from where I am sitting I > see > > > > no > > > > > problem with DXBase regarding rig control with the TS2000X. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes for the holidays and best 73 de K8SIX > > > > > > The K2 file > > > > [ELECRAFT_K2] > > #Elecraft K2 revision 0.3 by Brendan Minish [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > P_LSB=1 > > P_USB=2 > > P_CW_USB=0 > > P_CW_LSB=0 > > P_AM=5 > > P_FM=4 > > P_FM_N=0 > > P_DATA_LSB=0 > > P_DATA_USB=0 > > P_DATA_FM=0 > > P_CW=3 > > P_FSK=6 > > P_RTTY=6 > > P_PACKET=9 > > > > LSB=1 > > USB=2 > > CW=3 > > FM=4 > > AM=5 > > FSK=6 > > RTTY=6 > > HIGH=3 > > MEDIUM=2 > > LOW=1 > > OFF=0 > > ON=1 > > > > FREQDIVIN=1 > > FREQDIVOUT=1 > > USEEXTENDEDMODES=0 > > FREQSHIFT=0 > > PACING=1 > > > > DefaultCW=3 > > DefaultAM=5 > > DefaultFSK=6 > > DefaultRTTY=6 > > DefaultFM=4 > > > > SelectVFOA= eoc(100) asc( "FR0;" ) eoc(0) > > SetVFOA= asc( "FA" ) dec( %vfoa,11 ) asc( ";" ) asc("MD") dec( %mode,1) > asc > > ( ";" ) eoc(0) > > GetVFOA= asc("FA;") rrs(14) eoc(0) > > PrsVFOA= asc("FA") dec(%vfoa,11) asc(";") eoc(0) > > > > SelectVFOB= eoc(0) > > SetVFOB= asc( "FB" ) dec( %vfob,11 ) asc( ";" ) eoc(0) > > GetVFOB= asc("FB;") rrs(14) eoc(0) > > PrsVFOB= asc("FB") dec(%vfob,11) asc(";") eoc(0) > > > > SetMode= eoc(0) > > GetMode= asc( "IF;" ) rrs(38) eoc(0) > > PrsMode= asc("IF") dec(%dummy,27) dec(%mode,1) dec(%dummy,7) asc(";") > eoc(0) > > > > SetFilter= asc("K22;") asc( "FW0000" ) dec( %filter, 1 ) asc ( ";" ) > eoc(0) > > GetFilter= asc("K22;") asc( "FW;" ) eoc(0) > > PrsFilter= asc("FW") dec(%dummy,4) dec( %filter, 1 ) asc ( ";" ) eoc(0) > > > > SetSplit= asc( "FT" ) dec( %split ) asc ( ";" ) eoc(0) > > GetSplit= asc( "IF;" ) rrs(38) eoc(0) > > PrsSplit= asc("IF") dec(%dummy,30) dec(%split,1) dec(%dummy,4) asc(";") > eoc(0) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > DXBase Reflector - Please visit us on the web at www.dxbase.com > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > To UNSUBSCRIBE please visit: > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase > > > _______________________________________________ > DXBase Reflector - Please visit us on the web at www.dxbase.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > To UNSUBSCRIBE please visit: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >
