true but pretty much anyone who has bought a computer magazine in the last few years will have a copy of the JRE on that. Most companies I know have most of the commonly used installation files stored somewhere on their network as well. My $0.02, Scotto -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Digital Strider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Skickat: den 19 juli 2001 06:50 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ämne: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] FYI MS drops all Java support in new Windows XP. Comparing a Flash plug-in (165Kb) DL to Java (6mb) is a bit of a stretch, but still off topic. The issue is the fact that MS and partners is going to spend $1 billion marketing a unified system that is incompatable with all legacy Java running on the web. Nasty... Initially Sun and MS agreed to integrate the older Java JVM (hence the 7 years, $20 million license) so as to not "rock the boat of the installed base" of the Internet. Anyway you shake this pepper shaker it's a blow to Sun/Java. FYI, I use and support Java 100% currently. I am in no way endorsing MS or the .Net, I have a disdain for MS. But Java will have to trench to the server unless some "killer app" makes a 6MB DL worth the trouble. Think about... your on a 56K modem and go to "x" site. Your routed to a "you need Java" page and told to go DL the 6mb plug-in (figure between 13-22 minutes depending on latency). What you going to do? Leave? Most likely. Trust me, this is a real slap against humanity by the company known for these bs games. Cheers, Ray -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Pemberton Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] FYI MS drops all Java support in new Windows XP. in the same way that they don't support flash / shockwave. Java will always work as a plugin. There is no difference between this and the method currently required to use JRE 1.2+ in IE / NS. Digital Strider wrote: > Ahhhh, the stage is set... .Net vs. J2EE > > Well, initially MS said they would support "older" versions of Java so as to > maintain some level of harmony with the current legacy of the web. But now > it appears that the sly bastards have elected to drop it all together, > probably was planned from the beginning. > > Cheers, > > DS > > Microsoft XP Won't Include Java > By ALLISON LINN, AP Business Writer > > SEATTLE (AP) - Microsoft Corp. (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news) will not include the > Java programming language in its new Windows XP (news - web sites) operating > system, the software giant said Tuesday. > > Microsoft spokesman Tom Pilla said the company decided not to include the > language so it wouldn't violate a legal settlement agreement. > > Java maker Sun Microsystems Inc. (NasdaqNM:SUNW - news) in January settled a > lawsuit it brought against Microsoft three years ago in U.S. District Court > in San Jose, charging Redmond-based Microsoft with infringing a licensing > agreement to use Java. > > Java, introduced by Sun in 1995, lets developers write a software > application that can run on a variety of computers, regardless of the > underlying operating system. The language is widely used on Web sites and > Sun had hoped to make Java a universal programming language. > > Sun alleged that Microsoft violated the terms of an agreement signed in 1996 > by creating a Windows-only version of Java that was incompatible with other > software. Sun also claimed copyright infringement, but a judge later > dismissed that part of the claim. > > Under an agreement, Microsoft agreed to no longer license from Sun any > current or new versions of Java, but it would have been allowed to > distribute products carrying outdated versions of the Java technology for > seven years. > > Microsoft also had to pay Sun $20 million, and was barred from using Sun's > ``Java Compatible'' trademark. > > ``In the wake of the settlement agreement with Sun and the resolution of > that litigation this approach simplifies our implementation and adherence of > that agreement,'' Pilla said. > > In light of the settlement agreement, which gave Microsoft just seven years > to phase out Java, he said the decision should come as no surprise. > > ``The reality is that (Java program) represents a lot of code that the vast > majority of users don't need,'' Pilla said. > > A Sun spokeswoman could not immediately be reached for comment by The > Associated Press Tuesday. > > Pilla denied that the move was aimed at phasing out support for Java in > Microsoft applications. He said Windows XP users will be able to easily > download Java off a Microsoft update site if they come across a software > application running on Java. > > The U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia also > addressed Microsoft's use of Java in its ruling last month that unanimously > reversed the breakup of Microsoft. > > The court overturned the court-ordered breakup of Microsoft, but upheld the > trial judge's finding that the software giant violated antitrust laws by > muscling hardware and software companies into giving its operating systems > preferential treatment. > > In its ruling, the court said that making an incompatible version of Java > was not illegal, but said that its agreements with software vendors to use > only the Microsoft-compatible Java version was illegal. > > Microsoft, meanwhile, has recently begun developing a set of Internet > services, called .NET. based on another programming language, called XML. > The .NET strategy calls for selling a series of paid services over the > Internet that users can access on any computer device. 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