> Hi,
> For some reason, when I reply to posts on this list, it sends them to the
> poster, instead of the list, sorry about that.
> Attached is the file I should have attached to the last post.
>
> Antti,
>
> > the NS stuff works with drop downs for NS6.1Win , for N4 and even
> NS6.0Linux
> > there is is combo box.
> > So the NS stuff works startting NS6.1 that is GOOD news :)
> Yes it is, but the NS4 code inside the menu5.js file (lots of it)
*doesn't*
> work, so instead of fixing it, they use SSI(I guess) to detect NS4, and
load
> a different page.
yes, true its a mess up. There is not enough 'browser' detect on server and
the server output is some 'semi-cross-browser'
> > based on 1..5 I decided that what we see is the MS .NET webserver
rendered
> > output for .NET framework 'Toolbar' component as it is seen in browser.
> Could be, but I would expect it to load the version for the browser you're
> using, but it doesn't, it loads a (semi) cross-browser version.
> Maybe it's an existing cross-browser menu-script with the credits
stripped?
no, i dont think so. It is coming from .NET server and looks like MS stuff
to me.
> > if you look at the way the are doing it, the 'compressor' does make
sense,
> > its about 1 to 3 compression and will increase if larger menu/toolbar,
> Really? you mean their menu-script takes up 150k???
no the script is 25K but if you 'decompress' the <DIV> tags then the
compression ratio is very big due to the fact that Styles are all embedded
fully in DIV tags, there seems to be no stylesheet/classes.
> > of course a 'object framework' would give better compression :)
> Yeah, I did miss that, lots of stuff repeated.
hm I am partiallu generating the toolbar_items from JS classes already,
palying some more....
> Richard.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Antti Lukats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Richard Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified
>
>
> > Hi Ho
> >
> > hm. sorry you did the de-mystify also :), it was partially done, hm I am
> > still struggling will look your code shortly to compare :)
> >
> > the NS stuff works with drop downs for NS6.1Win , for N4 and even
> NS6.0Linux
> > there is is combo box.
> > So the NS stuff works startting NS6.1 that is GOOD news :)
> >
> > re .NET maybe I am wrong here but,
> >
> > 1) somwhere someone said that .NET WebControls do work cross broswer in
a
> > manner that the server ASPX objects are converted into broswer dependand
> > DHMTL code.
> > 2) that toolbar looked so damn similar to .NET VS Toolbar.
> > 3) there is no 'webdesign by..' on cobaltai
> > 4) ther is no copyright in .js code ??? yes it must be free then hihihi
> > 5) there is .NET logo on www.cobaltai
> >
> > based on 1..5 I decided that what we see is the MS .NET webserver
rendered
> > output for .NET framework 'Toolbar' component as it is seen in browser.
> >
> > maybe I am wrong. but I really did not think that any webdesigner could
> > design such menu and not to put his copyright into the code. NOWAY. most
> of
> > those I-am-the-best-on-web guys do put the copyright/license stuff into
> the
> > .js files.
> >
> > besides that, cobalt AI is such a joung startup (whose actual products
do
> > not work, I tried) that I would be REAL surprised if they would have
hired
> > someone to desing that Menu script (or made himself, even less likely).
> What
> > they did is simply playing around with .NET studio and you seee the
> toolbar
> > :)
> >
> > ///
> >
> > ok looked at your version.
> > I am trying to 'isolate' the reoutines, and decompress the html/div but
> can
> > not get it work fully, there is strange effect, if I do not use runtime
> > Expand() but insert the <DIV> tags (as expand would do) then there is
> > something f... with styles, 'visited' menus have incorrect behav,
> everything
> > else works.
> >
> > ... trying to create few classes to represent a 'Toolbar' object that
> would
> > generate all needed html code :)
> >
> > //
> > if you look at the way the are doing it, the 'compressor' does make
sense,
> > its about 1 to 3 compression and will increase if larger menu/toolbar,
of
> > course a 'object framework' would give better compression :)
> >
> > antti
> >
> > PS thanks for the reply
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Antti Lukats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > Yeah, before I noticed you had done all the work, I formatted
> > > http://www.cobaltai.com/dhtml/menu5.js
> > > into readable format (attached), and there is some nice compact code
in
> > > there.
> > > I wonder though, why are they explicitly declaring each variable? This
> is
> > > taking up lots of space, and as far as I know it's just regarded as
good
> > > form, not having any real effect.
> > > I somehow have a feeling that if you strip out all the variable
> > > declarations, the compression code, and split the rest into re-usable
> > > modules, that remain in the browser-cache, that the compressed version
> > won't
> > > be *that* much faster, if at all.
> > >
> > > I also noticed, that the original code was designed to work with NS4
as
> > > well, (attached version works partially) but it obviously doesn't work
> > well,
> > > so they inserted a simple select-box on the live site (probably using
> > SSI).
> > > Yet all the NS4 code is still left in the menu5.js file.
> > >
> > > There's quite a bit to learn in there, especially what regards compact
> > > coding, but it looks like the thing just had to get finished at the
end,
> > and
> > > they left in lots of redundant code.
> > >
> > > Do you know what the .NET connection is? It seems to me to be simply a
> > > cross-browser menu script, what does .NET do in this case? (I haven't
> used
> > > .NET yet)
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > Richard
> > > www.richardinfo.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Antti Lukats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Richard Bennett"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:48 AM
> > > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] .NET menus, de-mystified
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > if somebody looked at www.cobaltai.com then those menus there are
> plain
> > > .NET
> > > > webcontrols, stupid me not to recon them at first glance.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.graphord.com/files/dhtml.zip
> > > >
> > > > there is de-obfuscitated project tree showing the html and
javascript
> > > files.
> > > >
> > > > MS approuch is little different from DynAPI, objects are not used at
> > all.
> > > > well you can look at yourself. :)
> > > > expand.js
> > > > is the HTML de-compression engine, well its damn good, the original
> menu
> > > > with all the javascript and data was 46KB or so, but it decompresses
> to
> > > damn
> > > > much more. Well different approuch, there are no objects created,
> > content
> > > is
> > > > also not runtime generated as much in DynAPI, mostly its simple
> context
> > > > based string compression.
> > > >
> > > > happy tweaking
> > > >
> > > > antti
> > > >
> > > >
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