Would switching over to the "standard" way of prototyping and method definition be too
difficult because:
1) It's just a lot of boring monotonous work
or
2) The internals of Dynapi depend on doing prototyping and method declaration this way
or
3) some other reason (performance, etc.)
If it's only because it's a lot of boring work then we could potentially convert the
codebase to the "standard way", as long as the entire codebase doesn't need to be
changed at once. I.E. can we change it one class at a time and still have everything
work ok.
This would be better than making changes to the JSdoc tool to support Dynapi's "way"
of doing things. It would buy us two things: 1) Dynapi would use the standard, and
it's generally a good thing to be standardized. 2) It would allow JSdoc to generate
the javadoc without us needing to modify it. It would probably be easier to modify
Dynapi than JSdoc anyway.
I definetly want to build a Java & ant based javascript compressor and javascript
javadoc tool. I think these are definetly needed and would be used by the community.
So let's pursue doing that.
On another note, instead of using CVS what about subversion? Subversion has been
released as a 1.0 and is much better than CVS, especially when you want to do
refactoring, etc.
Oh, the last two messages from Doug appeared to have no content except for the
messages added by the mailing systems. Am I the only one that got those that way, or
did Doug send two empty messages?
Later
Rob
> YEs! let's get a cvs update!
> There have been a few fizes as of late.
>
> As for the prototyping, switching it over to the "standard" way would now be
> too difficult..
> (i don't think) I could dedicate myself to that conversion, but someone will
> have to commit it
> (i have been trying to get sourceforge to sent me my damned password for 3
> years now, maybe it's fixed now?)
>
> cheers
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Romianowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Suggestions
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > just some short comments on JsDoc.
> > I am using JsDoc for quite a while now and it works well for me. But using
> it for the (current)
> > dynapi codebase brings a lot of problems because of the way dynapi handles
> to definition of classes.
> > JsDoc only "accepts" classes (prototypes) written the "standard" way:
> >
> > function MyClass() {
> > }
> >
> > // Superclasses must be defined like this
> > MyClass.prototype = new MySuperClass();
> >
> > // Methods like this:
> > MyClass.prototype.myFunction=function() {
> > }
> >
> > The "dynapi way" is this:
> >
> > function MyDynapiClass() {
> > // Inheritance (I think JsDoc recognizes this too)
> > this.MyDynapiSuperClass=MyDynapiSuperClass;
> > this.MyDynapiSuperClass();
> > }
> >
> > var p = dynapi.setPrototype ('MyDynapiClass', 'MyDynapiSuperClass');
> >
> > p.myFunction=function() {
> > }
> >
> > The problem is that methods are declared using the "p-variable". This way
> JsDoc does not regocnize
> > the class-methods. One would have to patch JsDoc or rewrite the dynapi...
> >
> > Generelly I really like the idea of using JsDoc (I use it ;) This leads to
> much cleaner code and helps
> > a lot understanding the code (because it includes comments then).
> >
> > >> Of course, you still have
> > >> to comment your code at some level, which takes time, energy and
> > >> discipline. :p
> >
> > But it buys you a lot! I remember the pain I had understanding the dynapi
> completely. There are concepts
> > (the "old" Stylemanager, SODA) that are really not so easy to understand
> in the first place. Missing documentation
> > makes it even harder.
> >
> > As soon as the "new" DynAPI 3.0 is in CVS I really would like to
> contribute some of my extension and help out
> > in documentation. Perhaps(!) I will have a deeper look into JsDoc to
> extend it. The idea of a Java-based
> > javascript-javadoc is great. If someone has the time starting such a
> project I would be a happy contributer
> > to it! ;) Perhaps looking at Rhino (http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/) or
> another Java-based JS-Interpretor could
> > help here...
> >
> > Just my 2 cents,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Butler wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Leif,
> > >
> > > Nice to (virtually) meet you.
> > >
> > > I don't think that JSdoc will parse / JavaDoc anything but Javascript at
> this point. But similar tools could possibly be built for those other
> languages. Other people who use those languages all the time may already
> have done that. But if we at least get the Dynapi Javascript code Javadoc'd
> that would be a good thing, since it's the lion's share of the code, and
> what people are going to use the most.
> > >
> > > JSdoc uses a Perl templating framework, so if need be the templates
> could be modified to perform custom output / html generation. I would say
> to use them as they are initially and modify the templates later as Dynapi
> needs. The JSdoc tool seems to build a collection of object tree structures
> that contain all the information about the code. Then the collection of
> object tree structures are used in the templates to generate the HTML. This
> is great because after the parsing stage all the collected info is available
> for use in any way you want during the html generation stage in the
> templates.
> > >
> > > If JSdoc were re-done in Java (again preferably as an ant task) I would
> suggest using either Velocity or Freemarker as a templating framework to do
> the same thing as the Perl templating framework. The "port" to Java could
> probably be done in a few parts & stages. One part would work on getting a
> Java version of the parsing system that builds the collection of tree
> structures. The other part would work on re-creating the Perl templates in
> Velocity or Freemarker. The conversion of the templates would probably be
> fairly easy... Just take the Perl templates and convert the syntax for
> substitution to use the velocity/freemarker syntax instead of the Perl
> syntax. Of course before doing that we would have to get permission from
> the JSdoc developers if we wanted to use a different license than GPL. If
> we did all this work to build an ant task to JavaDoc JavaScript it would be
> good if we did it under and Apache license, as then it could be incorporated
> into Ant itself. The
> > ant group could potentially take over development / maintainance at that
> point too, since it could / would become part of Ant's core.
> > >
> > > Later
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > PS. Paragraphs -- They're a good thing. :)
> > >
> > >
> > >>Hmm, I'm only a half-peon contributor but I think I remember hearing
> > >>about or looking at the jsdoc project. Wouldn't that be cool, to just
> > >>be bumping along in your code, modifying things and dropping some
> > >>comments, and click a button and generate new docs that are up to date?
> > >>That would really combat the doc lag problem. Of course, you still have
> > >>to comment your code at some level, which takes time, energy and
> > >>discipline. :p Sounds like a good idea though, and something I could
> > >>help with, if only involved moving text from the current docs back into
> > >>the source. But I might not know if the docs are /correct/. That could
> > >>be easily tackled as a separate problem though, first convert, then
> > >>correct. Ideally it'd be done in one go. But if it takes the first
> > >>step to motivate someone to do the second step, then it'd be worth it in
> > >>the end IMO. But, eh, what about custom formatting of the webpages and
> > >>such? Can the JSDoc treat comments as sort of a "database" entry,
> > >>allowing tokens and their values to be assigned to variables, and then
> > >>use templates to replace with the variables and values? And what about
> > >>the ASP (JScript and VBScript), Perl, PHP, (TCL, Scheme, Java, etc.)
> > >>sources for the server-side scripts like IOElement and SODA? Can JSDoc
> > >>support other comment structures, like Perl's '#'?
> > >>
> > >>Leif
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Rob Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:27 PM
> > >>Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Suggestions
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Hello,
> > >>>
> > >>>Dynapi 3.0 looks real nice. I hope to use it in a variety of open
> > >>
> > >>source &
> > >>
> > >>>commercial projects that I will be developing shortly. I hope to
> > >>
> > >>contribute
> > >>
> > >>>back to the Dynapi project as well. On that front I have a few
> > >>
> > >>suggestions.
> > >>
> > >>>I really like having a Javascript compressor and it's great to see you
> > >>
> > >>have
> > >>
> > >>>implemented one in Java. It would be great if the compressor could be
> > >>>extended to be an ant task as well as a stand alone executable.
> > >>
> > >>Instead of
> > >>
> > >>>just wrapping the existing Java class as an ant task, I would
> > >>
> > >>recommend
> > >>
> > >>>building the ant task to work in the "ant way" in that it doesn't use
> > >>
> > >>a
> > >>
> > >>>separate config file, and accepts parameters & settings from the ant
> > >>
> > >>script.
> > >>
> > >>>If I get some spare time between my other projects I could potentially
> > >>
> > >>help
> > >>
> > >>>with this, but I just wanted to get the thought out there if someone
> > >>
> > >>else
> > >>
> > >>>wanted to run with it.
> > >>>
> > >>>Regarding the Javascript compressor, I think it's pretty neat how you
> > >>
> > >>have
> > >>
> > >>>it doing runtime inclusion / exclusion of scripts in a single file
> > >>
> > >>instead
> > >>
> > >>>of needing to pull in multiple smaller files. However, I think the
> > >>
> > >>larger
> > >>
> > >>>file size is probably more of a negative than the separate small
> > >>
> > >>files.
> > >>
> > >>>Browsers are pretty well optimized for pulling in lots of little files
> > >>>because everything on the web is a separate small file. I just point
> > >>
> > >>this
> > >>
> > >>>out because if an ant based Javascript compressor were built I think
> > >>
> > >>this
> > >>
> > >>>feature could be left out without too much of a negative impact
> > >>
> > >>compared to
> > >>
> > >>>the existing applications featureset.
> > >>>
> > >>>Like most open source projects the documentation in Dynapi seems to be
> > >>>lagging the code's capabilities. I was considering developing my own
> > >>
> > >>API
> > >>
> > >>>similar to Dynapi (thanks for saving me a ton of work) and knew
> > >>>documentation would be difficult to keep up with, and being a Java
> > >>
> > >>developer
> > >>
> > >>>I really like JavaDoc. So I looked for a Javascript Javadoc tool and
> > >>
> > >>found
> > >>
> > >>>one: http://jsdoc.sourceforge.net/ This tool is written in Perl
> > >>
> > >>(which is
> > >>
> > >>>ok, I would just prefer Java so it could be an Ant task without
> > >>
> > >>wrapping a
> > >>
> > >>>separate perl module). Perhaps Dynapi could adopt using this tool to
> > >>>document it's internals? I would also be interested in developing a
> > >>
> > >>Java
> > >>
> > >>>based ant task to do Javascript Javadoc generation. Perhaps if you
> > >>
> > >>all
> > >>
> > >>>think it is a good idea to use this tool, we could contact the JSDoc
> > >>>developers and see if they would be interested in developing a Java
> > >>
> > >>port of
> > >>
> > >>>their tool as an ant task. Perhaps JSDoc & Dynapi could join forces
> > >>
> > >>since
> > >>
> > >>>both groups are obviously interested in Javascript, and both have
> > >>
> > >>developed
> > >>
> > >>>a Javascript "build time" tool that compliment each other?
> > >>>
> > >>>Just some thoughts. Looking forward to doing good things with /
> > >>>contributing to Dynapi.
> > >>>
> > >>>Later
> > >>>Rob
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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