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It's just so anecdotal - incidental (ie, about one incident). Say Walt Disney STOLE Mickey from someone else,

Under the terms of what the late Mr. Disney's company wanted (and got! From the late ski-slope-disaster named Sonny Bono), Professor Lessig is actually saying exactly that -- Disney 'stole" Mickey.

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So what?

What's the point of all this?

Well, I think Lessig's trying to point out the irony of what intellectual property owners want. Part of the constitutional "deal" was that eventually, this stuff is going into the public domain, except that it NEVER HAPPENS! Every time Mickey's time is up the time gets extended, which isn't a great deal for me, IMO.

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Absolutely - something like an acre of land at the river, is worth maybe 10, 50 grand tops.

Not exactly... (You are WAAAY low, JP!)



Something like _yesterday_ or a Madonna album is
worth tens or hundreds of millions of dollars.. You can't even compare the two.


Exactly, they have different characteristics, but not only that, the technology extant when Yesterday was written is different than the technology used by Madonna AND the fans of both bands these days. My bet is that the law will eventually notice this. Just the iPod has totally-changed music, JP! Totally!!!

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I could duplicate the e-gold web site hundreds of times this afternoon, couldn't I?


It's safe to say that's well-proven.



Perhaps I'll do it to make a point. I'm off to register some domains?


Oh, I'll leave a tip, too.


I'm not saying that! Tips are a business model the RIAA and musicians need to consider, but I don't want to imply they're "the only one way." They probably will work best for only certain artists, but the fact that we see almost NO artists taking advantage of the technology is the sad thing, to me. (Save your tip money for your lawyer.)



"Evolution in action," as I always say.


regarding the real-politik of your ideas about tipping, sure. Not relevant to the central debate on IP though.

I'd say the owners of some kinds of IP need to consider their business models. And I still like what Ian Clarke says at:

http://freenet.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=philosophy

about why Freenet is needed. The seeds of Freenet were
planted before Napster existed, but only the killing of
Napster could have caused it to grow this fast. The RIAA
may have consulted a few hundred attorneys on trying
to get rid of Napster, but I'll bet they also consulted 0
cypherpunks. A mistake, IMO, as Napster was their
golden goose in disguise, and many former users still
miss it -- maybe enough to pay a clean $5 a month to
have it back. Record-stores are buggy-whip-makers of
this decade. Music distribution has changed, and the
music distributors will need to deal with it. As with the
iPod, Apple is leading the way (but I wish they'd take
e-gold, and let international users into iTunes!).
JMR









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