BTW, we should also think about how to present this: a) to the wider Eclipse community, starting with Big Mike M and the councils, committers, and other stakeholders
b) everyone else. I would normally blog this because I thought of it. But on further reflection, that didn't seem appropriate because E4 is about so much more than anyone's single contribution. Regards, Dave On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:36 PM, David Orme <[email protected]>wrote: > OK, cool. How about: > > E4 will emphasize two primary themes: > > *1) Beyond the Enterprise, into the Cloud* > > Eclipse has its roots as an enterprise software framework, capably > delivering software from embedded devices through the server. > > E4 will extend Eclipse with the capabilities needed to deliver applications > that live in the network cloud, whether on services like EC2 or on your own > cluster. > > *2) Take Eclipse's Architecture to the Next Level* > > In order to accomplish the above objective, Eclipse will fully adopt > technologies--such as Eclipse RAP--that have been in incubation for some > time, and evolve its core workbench architecture so that it can fully > participate in distributed and web 2.0-enabled applications. > > > Thoughts? > > > Regards, > > Dave > > 2009/1/27 Boris Bokowski <[email protected]> > > Hi Dave, >> >> I agree with you that it is very important to think about e4 from a >> marketing point of view. Especially since we have explored a good number of >> areas and should be thinking about what we want to deliver (both short term >> and long term). >> >> It's kind of funny that you are mentioning marketing now. Just yesterday, >> I came across a blog posting about "marketing for geeks" which I found >> interesting as someone who had a small software company in the past. After >> enjoying all the parallels with what I experienced a couple of years ago, it >> occurred to me that many of the issues apply to the e4 project as well, in >> particular this one: http://www.ericsink.com/Positioning.html >> >> Ideally, we'd come up with a position statement about e4, maybe something >> like your (1) below but shorter. Any suggestions? >> >> About (2), I don't think the phrase "architecture clean-up" is something >> you can use for marketing purposes. :-P It's not about the intrinsic >> properties, it's about what you can do with it. >> >> Boris >> >> >> Dave Orme wrote on 01/27/2009 03:22:56 PM: >> >> >> > Awhile back we put together a few paragraphs describing what E4 is >> > about from a (dirty) marketing point of view. Beware: if you read >> > onward, you might need to take a bath. ;-) >> > >> > Seriously though, what occurred to me last night is that E4 is >> > really about two themes: >> > >> > 1) Eclipse has always been about providing great infrastructure. >> > SWT gives us great infrastructure horizontally across operating >> > system platforms. eSWT, eRCP, however, broaden Eclipse vertically >> > down into the embedded space. E4 is about moving Eclipse up in the >> > vertical space so that it can also be a platform for cloud-based >> applications. >> > After E4, we will cover all major desktop and server operating >> > systems horizontally and the embedded through cloud space >> > vertically. The enabling technologies here are Equinox, RAP, and >> > [[the second E4 theme]] which is: >> > >> > 2) Code and architecture clean-up. Singletons are (nearly) always >> > evil, but especially so in a multi-user environment like RAP. >> > Resources can be anywhere. Declarative UIs are nice. Etc... I >> > won't re-hash any more of this here as we're all well-versed in it by >> now. >> > >> > My Question: >> > >> > Does this sound like a good way to describe and position E4? >> > >> > OK, maybe that's a silly question to ask a bunch of engineers. ;-) >> > >> > But does anyone think I'm missing anything important or glossing >> > over something that I shouldn't be. >> > >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Dave Orme >> > _______________________________________________ >> > e4-dev mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/e4-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> e4-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/e4-dev >> >> >
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