Hi John,
2013/9/10 John Arthorne <[email protected]> > This is sort of off topic, but I am wondering about the interest in IE8. > From the latest statistics, we know IE8 is used by about 8% of the global > web browsing population. I agree with you. In my case I'm using Chrome. But the problem is the use of SWT Browser in Windows context which have only IE8 which is installed (like me). The default SWT Browser with Windows is IE, and you have not the choice to use other SWT Browser except if you configure XULRunner to use Mozilla. I think the E4 CSS editor should working in any case with any OS and any (default) Browser. I'm not sure it's a good idea to tell to the user that it can not edit CSS file because it has installed IE8. > Among the population of developers needing a browser-based source editor, > the user base is even smaller. For example less that 1% of visitors to > planetorion.org are using IE8 (in fact only 4% are using any form of IE). > You have to balance how much effort is it worth to support that population, > and how much does this add extra bloat that will hurt the experience of the > large majority using a modern browser. From my perspective, for a developer > audience, adequate IE8 support is a dialog box telling you to download a > real browser. There is an excellent talk from Alex Russell on this topic > for anyone wanting to read more eloquent arguments about it [2]. > > Having said that, if IE8 support is really important to you, and there are > simple fixes to enable the Orion editor to function there without hurting > other platforms, I'm sure the Orion editor guys will consider it. > > [1] http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-monthly-201208-201308 > [2] > http://fronteers.nl/congres/2012/sessions/the-web-platform-and-the-process-of-progress-alex-russell > Before posting to the Orion forum, I would like know the decision of Paul about the problem with IE8. If it think's it's a problem, I will try to investiaget about this problem and contact Orion guys. Regards Angelo > > > > > > From: Angelo zerr <[email protected]> > To: E4 Project developer mailing list <[email protected]>, > Date: 09/10/2013 04:23 AM > Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Orion CSS preference editor > Sent by: [email protected] > ------------------------------ > > > > Hi Mike, > > I have attached a simple html with orion at * > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=410841#c7*<https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=410841#c7> > and > explained my fixes to work with IE8. But there are problem again (see my > comments). > > It should be very cool if Orion team could help us to support IE8. After > that I could start something like CodeMirror-Eclipse if you wish. > > Thank's for your help. > > Regards Angelo > > > 2013/9/9 Angelo zerr <*[email protected]* <[email protected]>> > Hi Mike, > > Ok I think if E4 wants to provide a CSS editor with Orion, it should > provide a generic SWT OrionControl like I have done with > *CMControl*<https://github.com/angelozerr/CodeMirror-Eclipse/blob/master/core/codemirror.eclipse.swt/src/codemirror/eclipse/swt/CMControl.java> > . > The big advantage to do that is that this SWT control can be used anywhere > (like you have used, in a 3.x ViewPart, in a e4 Pojo Editor in a simple > View to display just CSS content with syntax color, etc) > > With OrionControl you can set the mode (css, javascript, etc). > > If you want I can create this project for the moment in my GitHub to see > in action my idea? > > But the first thing is to fix problems with IE. I will investigate > problems (I think with some polyfill javascript functions it will fix some > problems, but I'm afraid it will not enough because it seems that Orion > doesn't support IE8 (according my tests)). > > It should be really cool, if Orion team could help us with this topic (use > Orion editor with IE8). > > Many thank's > > Regards Angelo > > > 2013/9/9 Mike Wilson <*[email protected]* <[email protected]>> > Angelo, > > What I'd really be interested in is seeing you do the equivalent of > CodeMirror-Eclipse using the Orion editor. If there are things in Orion > that would make that difficult, we definitely want to fix them. > > McQ. > > [image: Inactive hide details for Angelo zerr ---2013/09/09 > 08:10:45---Paul, if you are interested I could do the same thing that you > h]Angelo > zerr ---2013/09/09 08:10:45---Paul, if you are interested I could do the > same thing that you have done with Orion but with my Code > > From: Angelo zerr <*[email protected]* <[email protected]>> > To: E4 Project developer mailing list > <*[email protected]*<[email protected]>>, > > Date: 2013/09/09 08:10 > Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Orion CSS preference editor > Sent by: *[email protected]* <[email protected]> > ------------------------------ > > > > > Paul, if you are interested I could do the same thing that you have done > with Orion but with my CodeMirror Eclipse (it will be easy to do that), but > I'm not sure that E4 wish to use CodeMirror. > > Tell me if you are interested. > > Regards Angelo > > > 2013/9/9 Angelo zerr <*[email protected]* <[email protected]>> > Hi Paul, > > I have tried to play with your CSS Editor but it doesn't works for me. The > browser displays the content of the CSS but syntax coloring + completion > doesn't work. I use Windows and my Browser is IE8. > > After debugging your plugin, it seems that Orion code doesn't support IE8 > (code uses JSON object, Array#forEach which is not supported by IE8). > For your information I have done the similiar thing with * > https://github.com/angelozerr/CodeMirror-Eclipse*<https://github.com/angelozerr/CodeMirror-Eclipse> > It > embedds CodeMirror with SWT Browser and it works with RAP too > > You can find online demo at * > http://cmeclipse-2.opensagres.eu.cloudbees.net/codemirror*<http://cmeclipse-2.opensagres.eu.cloudbees.net/codemirror> > You > will find a CSS Editor which manages completion, folding, validation, > matching bracket, close bracket, etc. > It works with IE because CodeMirror supports IE. You can change the theme > of the CSS editor with Windows/Preferences -> CSS/Theme > CodeMirror Eclipse provides too a preference page to select your browser > (Mozilla, WebKit). > > > Here conclusion about my little experience with SWT Browser/ HTML editor : > > 1) the JS editor used should support IE (CodeMirror supports IE). > 2) <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge" /> should be > included in the HTML page > 3) avoid using IE, it's better (IE is slow). For instance, CodeMirror > Eclipse provides a preference page to select Web Browser (Mozzila, WebKit). > 4) editor JS must manage fullScreen mode. CodeMirror supports fullScreen > so you have not the impressions that a browser is used. > > For CSS features, I think validation and completion (as you have managed) > is important. After that if you can add some cool feature like folding, > comments, format, matching bracket,ntext hover it should be better. > > Hope my post will help you. > > Regards Angelo > > > 2013/9/8 Wim Jongman <*[email protected]* <[email protected]>> > Never mind, I found the bug: * > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=410841*<https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=410841> > > > On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Wim Jongman > <*[email protected]*<[email protected]>> > wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I have installed it. Do you have some but some instructions on how to use > it? What is the bug number? > > Regards, > > Wim > > > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Paul Webster <* > [email protected]* <[email protected]>> wrote: > I've released an Orion based CSS preference editor. It can be installed > from > *http://download.eclipse.org/e4/updates/0.15-I-builds*<http://download.eclipse.org/e4/updates/0.15-I-builds> > > "CSS file editor > E4 Orion CSS Preference editor (Incubation)" > > It supports the swt-* properties for content assist. It's a start, but > can definitely use some additions to the content assist/templates. It's > based on the orion editor 3.0 > > Please feel free to test it out and provide feedback. > > Later, > Paul > > -- > Paul Webster > Hi floor. 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