Hi Mike, Maybe my fault it was ;-) I use both of them (editor and builder) and don't exactly know which one is correct, more comprehensive and makes more sense. English is my third language.... haha
The important point is that most of us agree on not to have a built-in GUI-Builder. Best Regards, Armond > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:eap-features- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael Kirby > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 7:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Eap-features] Gui Editor > > Ooops.. > > My bad...I read through your message too quick, and read "It would be good > to have > a third party editor as an optional plug-in". I misread (didn't see) the > word "GUI". > Must be my American education at work again... > > Yes. I agree. I typically call it a GUI Builder, and reserve the word > "editor" > for...well...editing. :-) > > Mike > > > On 12 Jan 2002 at 17:09, Armond Avanes wrote: > > > Hi Mike, > > > > So you think that IDEA is missing a key value currently that doesn't > > have any GUI editor?! I don't think so! We've had lots of messages in > > this list for not to add any GUI builder to IDEA. I myself have > > *never* been satisfied with the generated code from gui-builders (from > > VisualCaf� to VisualAge to JBuilder and etc). The codes they're > > generating are really a mess and I've always preferred to code it > > myself. The only positive point of *current GUI-Builders* is when > > you're going to make a quick-and-dirty prototype. On the other hand > > most of the developers here are hard-core java or server-side > > developers and GUI builder has no meaning for them but to increase > > IDEA's size! So better to keep it as an optional module (IMHO). Am I > > missing anything? > > > > What are others thinking about this issue? > > > > Best Wishes, > > Armond > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:eap-features- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael Kirby > > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 4:27 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [Eap-features] Gui Editor > > > > > > Why would they do that? The editor is the key value of the product. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jan 2002 at 11:13, Armond Avanes wrote: > > > > > > > Yes! Here the same. > > > > Also it will be good to have GUI editor as a third-party and > > optional > > > > plugin (not mandatory for sure!!! Just for those who want it). > > > > > > > > Armond > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:eap-features- > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vollmer, Thomas - CannonSA > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:45 PM To: > > > > > '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Eap-features] Gui > > > > > Editor > > > > > > > > > > +1 to Eugene's idea, > > > > > -1 for a builder tool. > > > > > > > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > > -Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Todd Breiholz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:34 AM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Eap-features] Gui Editor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is a perfect solution to this argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a big fan of GUI builders, but if IDEA had some > > > > > > smarts and could help me write code without drawing the UI... > > > > > > > > > > > > Great idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > Todd Breiholz > > > > > > Meredith Corporation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/11/02 10:06AM >>> > > > > > > How about a AWT/Swing-aware code completion and refactorings? > > > > > > That > > > > is > > > > > > it not only provides a basic completion features but somehow > > also > > > > > > considers that it deals with the UI so helps to create > > containers, > > > > > > layouts and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Eugene Belyaev > > > > > > IntelliJ Software, http://www.intellij.com > > > > > > "Develop with pleasure" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hani > > > > Suleiman > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:06 PM > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Eap-features] Gui Editor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no, no. IDEA is a programmer's tool, not a painting app! > > GUI > > > > > > > editors are evil, plain and simple. You can accomplish more > > > > > > > by writing your GUI code by hand, you can do it faster and > > > > > > > more elegantly. If you cannot, then I recommend lots of > > > > > > > practice until you can! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you like the GUI painting approach, you're better served > > > > > > > using jbuider/netbeans/whatever else, since they also come > > with > > > > > > > bells and whistles and wizards to cater for the 'I wanna > > > > > > > code > > by > > > > > > > mouse' mentality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/1/02 7:09 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > for me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Florian Hehlen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: bevilacqua > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 January 2002 13:02 > > > > > > > > To: eap-features > > > > > > > > Cc: bevilacqua > > > > > > > > Subject: [Eap-features] Gui Editor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A GUI Editor (designer). > > > > > > > > Does it make sense? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Eap-features mailing list > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message contains confidential information and is > > > > > > intended only > > > > > > > > for the individual named. 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