Daryl I think that your points are valid, not well formed. There are other projects out there that you can use if you have issues with eBox. If you wish to change something, submit code. I use the Mandriva Directory Server and other systems to satisfy my needs. I use eBox for quickly getting small business and or homes the services they need. NTP, DHCP and DNS are vital for every network and eBox does those things well. I do enjoy the quick solution for Jabber and print shareing as well. I invite you to submit the updates to eBox for your dream target OS and watch as the source speaks for its self. I am very happy with the project. Unstable is not the word I would use for Ubuntu. I use most all the many Linux Distributions out there for many different purposes, they are as stable as you set them up to be and all much more stable then the non OSS solutions.
Andrew On Dec 21, 2007 3:35 PM, Daryl Caudill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings fellow admins! > > I must say I'm stunned by this. Why on earth would anyone want to switch > servers from debian to ubuntu? Is it Debian isn't good enough anymore, or > ubuntu is somehow better as a server? > > I apologize for starting an argument, but I do feel the point should be > made. I can't be the only person wondering about this. I am not trolling, > but in good conscience I cannot accept this idea. I just do not understand. > Why would ebox even consider changing distro's? and moving to ubuntu? Why > would any server software want to run on an unstable, bleeding edge > distribution like ubuntu? > > For those of you who don't know this, Ubuntu is based on taking a snapshot > of debian's UNSTABLE sid version (you read right, I said unstable, aka "as > new as it gets, updated daily"), clean some things up, then release it as > ubuntu. Ubuntu is BLEEDING EDGE software. It is far from stable. It > should never be used for production server use. It is for experimental and > non-production use. If you disagree, good luck supporting those servers, > you'll need it. > > I would never build a server based on unstable software from any > distribution, including debian' s unstable branch. I wouldn't even build a > server based on debian's testing "lenny" version which has been heavily > tested, but still not yet considered stable. I build my servers using > thoroughly tested STABLE code, currently debian etch. Why on earth would > anyone want to build a server using unstable code like ubuntu is beyond my > comprehension. I wouldn't want to support it. Think about it. That is a > massive support disaster waiting to happen. > > That's point one, changing distros, don't do it! > > Point two is the target audience. Most debian admins are experienced. Most > ubuntu people are GREEN GREEN GREEN. > > I realize ubuntu is the most popular linux desktop right now, so is this a > move to expand the market acceptance of ebox? > > Do you really want to support your server software run by people new to > linux? Just look at the ubuntu forums. It's a noob fest, full of people > new to linux. A noob asks a question, then 10 other noobs respond with that > they "think" it "might be". EGADS! They have no clue what LDIF or vi is. > > This mailing list will quickly be dominated by noob ubuntu questions that > have nothing to do with ebox. Instead of LDAP questions, you'll have "I > can't boot" questions. Do you really want to target people who have less > than one year linux experience? > > It takes years of experience integrating LDAP with samba, mail, squid, vpn, > etc. These are amongst the hardest linux technologies to learn. I > understand ebox is trying to make it easier for people to have an integrated > server without EXTENSIVE experience, and I applaud that, but do you really > want to target people with no experience, who can't do anything without a > mouse? > > Here's a comparision: a person is new to windows, using it for only one > year. Hey, lets give them a free copy of windows SERVER, and watch them try > to figure out active directory, when they don't know the difference between > RAM and ROM and hard disk storage. Two cups of coffee and they'll have > active directory licked :) I know, that example is extreme, but not off by > much! I'm sure you get my point. > > I'm now building my integrated servers on debian etch, using all standard > packages. I recently discovered ebox and want to use it, but I'm not > willing to go back to Debian Sarge. It's too old, and is not the current > stable version. > > I really really wish I could be using that great ebox interface on my > servers, but I can't. I'm stuck with custom scripts, and tools like > phpldapadmin and webmin. However, I'd rather have to configure things > manually on a current stable server, then have a gui on an unreliable ubuntu > server. I can't be the only admin who feels this way. > > Please, I beg you to reconsider. Stay with debian. Get ebox working on > Etch. Make sure it's ready to upgrade when Lenny goes stable. Don't turn > your back on a solid distro with experienced admins. Fix what you have, > before creating more problems. > > My name is on this post, and I welcome genuine debate. I realize I'm being > pretty hard on ubuntu, but my point is still valid. I see no advantage > switching distributions, other than targeting more (albeit green) users, at > the cost of reliability. Is it worth it? > > > > ________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > Ebox-user mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.warp.es/mailman/listinfo/ebox-user > -- /* Andrew Latham LATHAMA (lay-th-ham-eh) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] TuxTone Inc. http://www.TuxTone.com */ _______________________________________________ Ebox-user mailing list [email protected] https://lists.warp.es/mailman/listinfo/ebox-user
